From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #36 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sat, 20 Jan 2001 Vol 08 : Num 036 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #35 eskrima: FMA/WingTsun in toronto eskrima: SD seminars eskrima: New RP President eskrima: KDOA eskrima: Women's Self-Defense [none] eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "hudginsg" Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 13:19:27 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #35 > From: Bladewerkr@aol.com > Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 22:17:02 EST > Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #34 > > To begin with this is simply mho so if you disagree fine, but it has been my > experience that the idea of any sort of "Women's Self Defense" seminars are > at best ineffective. There are many of us that have been doing martial arts > of some sort or another for years some of us decades, yet when I attend a > seminar and learn new material it still takes me a whole lot of "drive time" > to make it a functional part of my repertoire. Most of the people I know are > the same way. When you start teaching someone that has never thrown a punch > in fun let alone anger, that has no motor skills for a base and that will > not, in all likely hood, practice what they are exposed to, it becomes an > exercise in futility. Lets face it if there was a way to become a competent > streetfighter in a weekend there would be a heck of a lot more aware > individuals out there. Even when a person trains regularly the difference > between a training environment and reality is one heck of a jump. With my > wife, who has no interest in fma, it took a long time to get her used to > being aware of the environment, and simply indexing her weapon, and most of > the other nurses she works with think she a paranoid nut. Comments like "I > just couldn't live like that" or "you take your pistol to take out the trash, > isn't that a bit farfetched?" I have taught a class at the hospital she > works I was not invited back as I was "brutal, savage and barbaric,"( I > guess a bic pen in an attackers eye is more "barbaric" than rape. On the > other hand the self defense class (3 hr.) that is put on by the local police > dept. is usually full. They teach passive resistance, and the cooperate do > not piss your attacker off strategy. I guess my Question is "how can you > teach someone to defend themselves, when they will not acknowledge the > reality of combat?" > repects, Bear > > ------------------------------ One day a man was walking along a beach after a storm had washed up hundreds and thousands of star fish on the beach where they were slowing drying out and dying. The man came upon a boy picking up star fish and throwing them back out into the ocean. The man said to the boy. "Youre wasting your time, there are thousands of these things washed up on the beach. What difference do you think you will make." Without pausing the boy picked up a star fish and flung it back into the sea. "It made a lot of difference to that one." Yes, teaching self defense courses to women may be like the starfish story, but if you make a difference to only one, then it has been worth it to that one. By the way, poking a guy's eye out with a bic pen is not the only way to defend against rape. And while I do not believe passive way is the best way, some times for some individuals it may be the only way. At least until they have had enough training to change their mind set. By the way, (IMHO) if you teach women's self defense you need to teach the whole spectrum which I am sure that everyone that teaches tries to do the best they can with the knowledge they have. But there are some people that may just not be able to pull the trigger, or use a knife, even in their own defense. What do you provide those people? About 20 years ago, I read a book and went to a seminar by Frederick Storaska. He wrote a book "How to say No to a Rapist and Survive". It is out of print, but you might find it in a library. It is full of inovative was to fend off rapist. One girl dropped to her knees, started snorting and making weird noise and pulling up clumps of grass and eating it. Freeked the guy out that he left. Another peed on her "boyfriend" when he wanted to take more than she wanted to give. He became appoligetic when she told him she had a "condition" > He did not rape her and she dropped him. Another faked a seizure. Now, I know this it not traditional self defense and not everyone could do this, but not everyone can use phyiscal self defense. There was alot of other things in the book some of which I disagree with, but there was "food for thought" and techniques that some women could pull off even if I or you or someone else could not. Just my .02 cents. Gary H ------------------------------ From: "apo.k.lypse" Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 19:27:42 +0100 Subject: eskrima: FMA/WingTsun in toronto hello everybody. my roommate goes to canada this summer. we both do arnis/eskrima/kali and he does WingTsun as well. so maybe some could give some recommendations where he can continue training while working in toronto. thanx in advance achim www.wws.de/aek (arnis/eskrima/kali) www.capoeira-berlin.de (guess what!) ------------------------------ From: "C. Herrman" Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 14:42:53 -0800 Subject: eskrima: SD seminars Hi, From: Bladewerkr@aol.com >When you start teaching someone that has never thrown a punch in fun let alone anger, that has no motor skills for a base and that will not, in all likely hood, practice what they are exposed to, it becomes an exercise in futility. I have mixed feelings about this. In college I spent a half hour or so teaching a girlfriend a few basic moves she could practice on a heavy bag for exercise, which she did (for a month or so). About a year later she was accosted on the street in Mexico - a guy grabbed her and kissed her. She responded with an expletive, a backfist, and a roundhouse kick - and dropped the guy in the street. Another friend of mine took a semester long self defense course at her college. Again, about a year later she was studying abroad in Paris when she was accosted by a woman while talking on a payphone. The woman grabbed her and pulled her out of the phone booth, spinning her around and attempted to slap her. My friend blocked the slap and delivered a knee - doubling the woman over. IMO both of these examples involve relatively minor altercations and that the same responses may not have been enough to prevent a more determined attacker. However, they DID prevent these assaults. In both cases, my friend's did not practice extensively and neither of them are natural athletes. After the incidents they were both surprised that the moves they learned previously had come out during the altercation. So, I don't think that minimal self-defense training is an exercise in futility. It may not be enough to cover all scenarios, but as long as it contains valid information, it is better than nothing. From my limited experience, the results seem worthwhile. Perhaps one of the keys is that both of my friends did practice what they learned (short term) and had a better opportunity to ingrain it into their muscle memory than someone taking a one-day seminar, filled with a multitude of techniques. Comments? Does anyone have suggestions on how much time is necessary to instill practical self-defense skills in an untrained individual (teaching time and practice time)? How many of you teach or have learned basic self-defense (grabs, punches, etc.) as part of your FMA training? At what point in your training (first 3 months, 1 year, etc.)? Thanks in advance. Respectfully, Chris H. ------------------------------ From: "Jay de Leon" Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 12:32:13 -0800 Subject: eskrima: New RP President In addition to other facts already posted about the new RP President, Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo comes from a political family, being the daughter of former RP President Diosdado Macapagal (shades of the Bushes?). She is married to a prominent, well-to-do businessman Mike Arroyo, a classmate of mine at the Ateneo. She has ably served in several prominent appointed and elected government positions, and enjoys the support of the intelligentsia, the Catholic Church, big business, and the "masa" (masses)--the antithesis of Estrada, a man known for his ignorance and excesses. It is ironic that Joseph "Erap" Estrada, former "action" star who rose to political prominence (from mayor of San Juan to Senator to President) as a fighter against crime, corruption and oppression of the downtrodden (again, the "masa"), ends up in disgrace for the moral turpitude he was supposed to be fighting. When asked if he was the Ronald Reagan of the Philippines, Estrada answered no, because he had better movies. What an opportunity for Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, after a parade of despots, crooks and plain inept leaders in modern RP history. We wish her (and George W. Bush) the moral courage and intestinal fortitude to govern the country. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 14:16:32 PST Subject: eskrima: KDOA Forwarding. Ray --------------------------------------------------------------- Alliance Drug Free Open Martial Arts Tournament (Sponsored by the Alliance Police Department and Alliance City Schools) May 5th, 2001 Stanton Middle School S. Union Ave (SR 183) and Broadway Ave. Alliance, Ohio All proceeds will support area drug education programs: Kick Drugs Out Alliance (KDOA) and Students Against Destructive Decisions (SADD) On-Site Tournament Coverage will include GRANDMASTER MAGAZINE, TO SERVE AND PROTECT: THE REAL STORY (TELEVISION SHOW), and local press. An official press release will be provided to the major martial arts periodicals on the tournament results. For More Information Contact: Jeff Helaney (330) 821-9140 ext. 132 or Jan Webler (330) 821-2105 http://hometown.aol.com/kdoa2/tournament1.html ------------------------------ From: "Don Edwards" Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 22:14:08 -0000 Subject: eskrima: Women's Self-Defense Reading some of the posts regarding this topic and have a few thoughts/comments. I've taught women's self-defense courses/seminars for almost 11 years now called A.C.T. (Awareness and Confidence Training)for Women. The program has been VERY successful, not from a financial stand point but from an effectiveness stand point for a number of reasons. First, we don't give false expectations..we make it known up front that standing and fist fighting with a male attacker is risky at best! Second.. what ever action they takes depends on the situation.. if they submit, its their decision and only they can make it..if they feel that they can fight or talk their way out of it..again thats a decision only they can make..no one can second guess! Third is how you train ...awareness of surroundings is the first and most important aspect of self-defense.. Verbal de-escalation is next when that fails.. physical defense is last on the list, but practiced the most. drills have to be realistic..you have to create a VERY high state of anxiety/stress in the student and attack/drill them under those conditions..techniques MUST be VERY simple.. most will only have one or two techniques that might work but thats all they need! most women won't be able to knock out a 200 + pound man, and thats not the goal..and we tell them that up front...its to disrupt the attacker and ESCAPE..not stand and fight if you don't have to. Don Integrated Martial Arts Livingston, NJ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Brian Crowley" Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 17:51:05 -0500 Subject: [none] First, thanks to everyone who responded to my question regarding elbow counter-attacks a couple months ago. I found the input very useful & I appreciate that so many people took time to respond to a 'basic' question. Does anyone have any experience with the Attackproof system (Ki Chuan Do) by John Perkins ? If you do, what do you think of it ? He teaches a class about 45 min. from me & I'm considering dropping in. I liked a lot of what I saw in his book. Finally, I'd appreciate input on any classes that you would recommend, or recommend steering clear of, in NYC. How about the Kuntaw Kali Kruzada Eskrima class taught by Alfredo & Rico Acosta ? My work schedule has made committing to a class almost impossible (especially when they don't meet on weekends), but I would like to change that soon. Best Regards, Brian _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 16:14:30 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #36 *************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.