From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #39 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 22 Jan 2001 Vol 08 : Num 039 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #33 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #38 eskrima: self-defense statistics eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #38 eskrima: Linoheart, are you there? Re: eskrima: Linoheart, are you there? eskrima: women's self-defense eskrima: Shoulder Healing Resources eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kendal Coats Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 07:15:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #33 > If any women here > are interested in a > great tactic to countering a rape assault, I think > putting the man in > your guard and straight arm barring would be a great > option to have. > Most people that have no training will give you > their arm. And I doubt > we've got alot of black belt BJJ players stalking > people. I will be the first to admit that I know very little about BJJ, but as I see it wouldn't the guard be the last position a woman would want to be in if a rape was taking place? Chad can you provide morew details? Kendal __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: abanico-video-knuettel@t-online.de (Dieter =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kn=FCttel?=) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:56:01 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #38 > I have recently started teaching children of 5-6 years old. I am looking for games to include > in my classes that would allow the children to learn the following: > > focusing > speed > precision > balance > > I am looking for anything that would ensure a kid to develop some Martial Arts skills in an > enjoyable manner. > > Vittorio Hi Vittorio, I have produced a video about "Technique training: games and exercises". The author is the head of the Judo at the german sports academy in cologne, THE german university for sportscience. The video is mostly Judo orientated but also applicable for Jiu Jisu or grappling people and gives you about 65 different games and exercises for children, beginner and expert-training. It covers the areas: warming up games wit technical elements of stance- and groundwork, falling techniques also including balls and benches for example, basic start movements and quick approaches for throws (speed and strenght) ands special preparatory exercises for different throws. I think it is just about what you are looking for. Check out http://www.abanico.de then go to the english pages and then to the Judo-button on the left side. The video is called: Judo method, teaching video 1 If you like it, you can order via e-mail from there. Regards Dieter Knüttel ABANICO Video Productions http://www.abanico.de European Modern Arnis Representative http://modern-arnis.de Achtung, Neue Adresse: Knyphausenstr. 2b 44287 Dortmund ------------------------------ From: Sunny Graff <105605.2047@compuserve.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:11:02 -0500 Subject: eskrima: self-defense statistics Nachricht geschrieben von INTERNET:eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com >Here in Germany too, the statistic say, that about 85 - 90% of the attempted rapes stopped, when the woman starts to fight back in any way (yelling, shouting, kicking, scratching, whatever). So you don´t have to be an expert martial artist to start to defend yourself. Well, Sunny, wouldn´t that be the place for you to jump in? Best regards form Germany Dieter Knüttel < Thanks for the invite, Dieter. 1991-1992 Hannover Police Study conducted by Suzanne Paul 286 cases of reported rape or attempted rape 72% of the women resisted, 28% did not. 81,3% of the women who did NOT fight were raped. 84,3% of women who actively resisted ended the attack. even 68,4 % of women who only passively stuggled (the passive use of arms and legs) ended the attack. Not a martial artist in the group. The facts speak for themselves. Sunny Graff ------------------------------ From: "Martin Diggins" Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 15:50:21 -0000 Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #38 In reply to the book by Marc "Animal" MacYoung: Mark has some interesting things to say on "real" knife fighting as well ! All his books are available from Paladin Press (I think) and must be of interest to anyone serious about real self defence. Also worth a look is "Dead or alive" by the English former bouncer and Karate instructor Geoff Thompson - his description of the perils of adrenalin-rush for even the most experienced martial artist are most enlightening. Regards, Martin Diggins Ireland ------------------------------ From: kalkiusa@netscape.net (Mikal Keenan) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:21:45 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Linoheart, are you there? Does anyone know if Mr. Allen Sachetti's Lionheart is still in business? If yes, contact info? Thanks. Be well, Mik __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 9:35:52 PST Subject: Re: eskrima: Linoheart, are you there? > Does anyone know if Mr. Allen Sachetti's Lionheart is still in business? > If yes, contact info? Thanks. > > Be well, > Mik Me, too... I love the labsica (sp?) sticks he used to sell. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:46:08 EST Subject: eskrima: women's self-defense In a message dated 1/22/01 7:59:46 AM Mountain Standard Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I also don't believe that anyone should teach these type of classes or seminars unless they have both the life experiences and the formal education in self-defense / awareness/ abuse and victim counseling skills as well as some kind of formal education into the physiological aspects of rape/abuse/and violent crime, to back up both the statistics and the fears of women and or people that are facing the self defense classes and the reasons behind why they are taking them. >> To all of this I say absolutely... However...in the same vein of "you might be a redneck if anyone in your family's last words were "Hey everybody watch this.!!!.."" I am going to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Animal is a no neck, knuckle dragging, sexist, opinionated moron by throwing on one significant qualifier on all of that too. The most important thing you can learn from victims is what NOT to do Yep folks...I am firing up the BBQ on one of the biggest sacred cows of agenda driven WSD. Or as Michael Caine said in "The Last Valley" (a movie about mercenaries during the 30 Year War) "Martyrdom is not as useful as you think..." Ennobling victimhood is nowhere near as useful as not being victimized at all. Especially if your goal is to prevent more victims from being created. In spite of the stats, there are more women who have NOT been raped than have been. Call me a male chauvinist pig, I kinda want to keep it that way. Bottomline when it comes to teaching Women's Self-Defense, my strongest advice is to collect stories not only of women who were raped...but in equal (if not greater) numbers, stories of what women did that KEPT them from being raped. Then integrate this new information in your curriculum. You will be amazed at how smart women are for getting themselves out of danger. And how seldom was the successful strategy "macha bullshit aggression." If your greatest weapon is your mind...use it!!!! And I don't mean in only one way. THINK!!! One of the better light bulb ignitors in our WSD seminars is when I stand in front of a room full of women and say "we all know women are smarter than men..." There is at first some uncomfortable giggling that a guy should know this commonly held female opinion. Then they kind of relax into a "Well we're glad you recognize that fact." I then I drop a Forest Gump on them "But how can you say that you are smarter than they are if you are doing the same stupid things that they are doing?" This is know in psych parlance as a "double bind" It isn't until you begin to collect stories from women who successfully avoided rapes that you begin to see some major holes in the existing theories of what it takes to keep from being raped. That is to say what really worked vs. what people think works. For example, it's kind of appalling to see how many women WEREN'T raped because of "situational circumstances" rather than their choice of tactics. Tactics that in other circumstances would blow up in their face. In otherwords it was the fact that there were five people standing over there that made the guy opt not to attack, rather than how much of a threat he considered her or how much attitude she threw. Unfortunately, many programs that I have seen tend to encourage behavior that actually infuriate an attacker rather than intimidate. And if you engage in these behaviors in a situation where it is "safe" for him to attack (i.e. alone and no witnesses/immediate help) you will be assaulted -- regardless of sex. Yep...I just said it. A guy would get his ass kicked for that kind of behavior just as fast as a woman - except that a woman has a greater chance of getting raped as additional punishment. If they don't get attacked, when you look, you will see this "situational" factor is pretty common. However, too many self-defense instructors take what was in fact, situational circumstances as proof positive that what they teach works. (It's kind of like the movie Beethoven where the kid takes a karate stance and the bullies run away. He is so impressed with himself, but doesn't see the St. Bernard in the bushes behind him that the bullies saw). The problem is it is the situation that bailed them out, not their 'tude. This is exacerbated by the fact that way too many people don't understand the difference between assertiveness and aggression. Assertiveness will keep you from being attacked, aggression will provoke it. Unfortunately, most people while trying to defend their boundaries actually end up invading a potential attacker's boundaries. They DO provoke an attack because they forget that the other guy has feelings too. And if you piss someone off in a place where he figures it is safe for him to attack you -- or he doesn't care -- he WILL attack. So on that list of extra training, add on negotiation, boundary setting, team building and assertiveness training. And just for giggles throw in cultural anthropology. Because it isn't until you step out of your own culture that you can begin to see the unconscious cultural stereotypes that many of the people you will be teaching carry. This is critical, because what you mean PROBABLY isn't going to be what your students hear, interpret and - later - go out and do. Another thing I do is make a statement that "Everything I learned about women in the locker room is wrong." The funny thing is that while women tend to want to stand up and cheer when I admit that, there are many who unconsciously believe that somehow this sword doesn't cut both ways. Their paradigm seems to read "A man cannot know how a woman thinks, but they know how men think." In short, I have a real problem with women telling other women how men think - - especially the violent knuckle draggers. While there is a small and select group of men who do work with these programs and supposedly lend a male perspective...I really have to question how successful they themselves were in handling "Bubba." Or how much they do it on a regular basis. I don't see them hanging out in the titty bars. Exactly how well do they understand that mindset? Face it there are certain things that will set off most "not-so-sensitive-nonpolitically-correct" males. In certain circles, if you do it, you WILL get hit. Even in nonviolent circumstances you will get a guy's knickers in a knot. Do you know what these are? Do you know how to communicate to women DON'T do these things? Especially when dealing with a violent male? You will find that there is a long list of unconscious do's and don't that accompany each gender. And like the wagging of a tail means totally different things from a cat and a dog -- and proceeding on just one interpretation of them will get ugly -- there are critical differences between genders on issues like communication, threat display and "face." Let me throw a simple example out to you. Usually, in an argument, if a guy turns his back on you he is trying to walk away. He is signaling that he doesn't want to escalate it. It's done for the moment, you've won. Let him go. However, many women consider this to be an insult and/or being ignored. Their immediate reaction is to lash out with a cutting verbal slash. Now whether this is to not to let the guy "win" in their eyes by walking away or if it is to grind salt in the wound to prove their superiority is academic. However what it does, is usually bring the guy back more furious than ever. And yes...this is when fights escalate to a greater level - possibly physical. I cannot tell you the shocked look on students faces when I tell them that if a guy turns his back and tries to walk away THEY HAVE WON! If another woman did that to them, they would know - beyond a shadow of a doubt -- that it was an intentional insult, and they'd probably be right. But to a guy it means something totally different. And any additional comment is not only rubbing salt in the wound but likely to require him to respond further. It could have ended there... but now it is going to get worse. I hate hearing that rape is solely a woman's issue. Bottomline is that half of the people involved in a rape are men. With those kind of numbers, it is total egomania to claim proprietary rights. But it commonly accepted as a legitimate comment by people who elevate victimhood to something special. The object of the exercise is NOT to be raped, NOT to be assaulted and NOT to be victimized. To this end our WSD programs are team taught. While I may have been telling you what I say, the truth is my wife and I co-teach this program. She and I both developed it. AND we present both male and female points of view. As well as draw from an incredibly wide array of resources for information, academic, martial, counseling, psychological, social and live fire. But most importantly we draw from sources that work! It is amazing to see how many gaps are filled when this approach is employed. And to this end, we don't talk about empowerment, we work for instilling personal responsibility. With power, comes responsibility. With great power, great responsibility and duty. Which is something that victims hate to hear. You don't get bennies for getting raped, you get them for NOT being victimized and taking control of YOUR life...not an attacker's. I am off to Sweden to beat on poor unsuspecting cops in that country for a week. So I won't be able to respond for a while. In the mean time, go take a look at our website and see if it doesn't make sense - sometimes uncomfortably so - but sense it does make. If you have any questions, feel free to contact my wife through the site. ------------------------------ From: EGJundis@aol.com Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:32:21 EST Subject: eskrima: Shoulder Healing Resources This is late to the conversation on one digest and new to several others. With my schedule and commitments you can count on that I might not respond to everything I am sent. It's not a symptom of my lack of interest for the many threads on these digest or private emails. I have a full schedule that prohibits me from writing and contributing as often as I would like. I will always respond to personal inquiries though. It just takes a while. I've mentioned before that anyone looking to alter a structural issues in there body would do well to check out the work being done by Pete Egoscue. Crafty Dog AKA Mark Denny of Dog Brothers Martial Arts on the Escrima Digest has also given this work high praise. Do a web search for Pete Egoscue; you'll find his website. He also has a great book out called "The Egoscue Method of Health Through Motion." It is published by Harper Perennial. There is a great shoulder girdle exercise on page 117 of the book "Bodytherapy: From Rolf to Feldenkrais to Tanouye Roshi. The book is by William S. Leigh founder of Zen Bodytherapy: his website is also on the web. I learned the exercise from my Zen Body Therapist Bernard Langan and it's an integrity issue for me to give the exercise away. It's fully described in the book though and the book is cheap $10.95. It's in it's third print and is published by the International Zentherapy Institute, Inc. I would check amazon.com. My brother-in-law who has lifetime of shoulder injuries from being a high school starting quarterback in Texas (where football is life) and a starting quarterback in college swears by this exercise. He has done it every day for over a year now. He's had access to some of the best western and alternative health solutions and this is what is working for him now. He loves this exercise. I think the exercise is great too. Using this particular exercise has decreased my shoulder girdle tension, and increased my shoulder flexibility, usable strength, and sensitivity. It allowed me to return to my pre-Coracohumeral Ligament Injury range of motion. It's an old Judo randori accident that I never gave it the time to heal because of my Capoeira cross training. Judo I gave up. I'm thinking of going back but I'm also looking at cross training at either at the Charles Gracie Academy or my local Aikido School. The schools has an accomplished Sensei Pat Hendricks. She's a sixth dan and is certified to teach Ken and Jo. I like her empty hands stuff. I haven't seen her stick work yet. I've been actively back in my own training for about a year now after a three year break. Though I've been doing Wu Taiji, Nei Gung, Chi Gung, and teaching eskrima for last two years my intensity and growth as a practitioner had been on the back burner. What I was able to work on instead was to heal myself, get touch with my body, and improve as an instructor/coach. Before it sounds to Granola & Northern California: What it has allowed me access to is reversing various types of arm bars and locks, and_a general increases in speed, power, control, and mental intent & flexibility in all of my martial realms of practice. Check out the books, do the work, and share what you learn. As always read with salt. Elrik Jundis Director/ Lead Instructor School of Pilipino Martial Arts ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:52:26 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #39 *************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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