From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #42 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 23 Jan 2001 Vol 08 : Num 042 In this issue: eskrima: Women and Men in Defense eskrima: Re: Put the rapist in your guard eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #40 eskrima: re: Jocelyn/Sr. Chad/ woman in the arts and self defense eskrima: Big Red Rumble Martial Arts Tournament eskrima: Re: rape/bjj defense eskrima: USJJF Spring Camp 2001 eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TaoArt@aol.com Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:55:31 EST Subject: eskrima: Women and Men in Defense Michael writes: << That is the sort of comment that a man would often get crucified for. I for one have never understood how women's self defense differs from men's. The purpose surely is to stop being attacked and not to get hurt in the process without, hopefully, too much legal fallout later. >> I can illustrate the biggest difference with one of my opening questions to my women's self defense course (which I have been teaching for 6 years): I ask the women "How many of you here will, if it is your only chance for survival, be able to kill your attacker?" When I ask that question to a room full of men, I get about a 95% hand raise... most often all raise their hands. They wouldn't hesitate. When I ask this to a room full of women, I get a varying response... on a rare ocassion I get 75% raising their hand. Most of the time I get 40-50% raising their hand. Sometimes I get ONE hand in the whole class. Most who do raise their hands do so tentatively. *ONCE* in 6 years of training did I get an entire class of women who raised their hand. In your opinion, why is this? (I am not setting you up for anything here - I really would like to know your view on this). Meghan Gardner Guard Up, Inc. www.GuardUp.com "Always carry love in your heart and a knife in your pocket." me ------------------------------ From: "Roaring Girl" Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:41:53 -0330 Subject: eskrima: Re: Put the rapist in your guard >These are only a few options/choices, hope it helps. Maybe Ms. J can >jump in on this with an opinion here? >Chad Hi Chad, I think I already did...;D Yes, the choices you present can be useful in certain situations, but again, most women who are in that position will probably not have the training to apply the moves; will perhaps not have the strength (it does take some strength, especially against a struggling opponent); may be dealing with someone whom (as Johnaleen pointed out) they know and for whatever reason do not wish to hurt (date rape); may not have *any* training on what to do in such a situation, either mental or physical etc. As was said, it is not the BJJ black belts going out and attacking women (although this does not preclude someone with training doing so); but then again, it is not female BJJ (or anything else) black belts who are necessarily being attacked. Many, if not most women, will have little or no training in self-defense, and by this I mean mental training/preparation as well as physical. Many women (in my experience teaching & training them) are reluctant to hit even training pads at first. How much more so, then, in the case of acquaintance or date rape? to bring this back to the FMA (thanks for your patience Ray), I have found that these arts are much more effective and to the point for small people. They do not rely on muscle, and while some techniques can be complex, much of it is principles and direct, simple and *effective* techniques. Also, the versatility (eg. empty hand techniques can be translated to weapons etc.) allows one to use what is at hand. You can also be very effective without ever going to the ground....This is not to say that other arts etc. are not also effective...but of the arts I study, the FMA are the ones which most appeal to the self-defense side of my studies. IMHO as always, thanks, jocelyne - Roaring Girl ------------------------------ From: Chris McWethy Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:03:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #40 To Johnaleen and all other interested parties concerning the differences in intelligence between women and men. I was recently called out to videotape a speaker (Al Greenfield, an expert on IQ measuring, development of the human mind and the importance of literacy in children) who explained in great detail the differences between the male and female brain and how the two differ. True, the female mind uses both hemispheres of the brain to learn and function while the male mind uses one hemisphere at a time. The reason for this is in the female brain the two hemispheres are able to communicate better than in the male brain because the sheath that divides the two hemispheres (the name of which I forget) has better conductivity in the female than in the male. What this means is that the female brain is more capable of multitasking while the male brain is better at focusing in on a singular task. One thing does stay consistant in both the male and female brain, and that is that both only use 10% of it's total capability. To address the question of whether women are smarter than men, the answer I came away with from my taping session with Dr. Greenfield is that neither is the "smarter" brain, just engineered for different tasks. It's all in the wiring. Chris McWethy ITO Eskrima Instructor - ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com ------------------------------ From: "Johnaleen" Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:52:09 -0500 Subject: eskrima: re: Jocelyn/Sr. Chad/ woman in the arts and self defense Yes.......... Ms. J bows deeply to Jocelyn...... everything you said and more GF...... Its that kind of thinking that needs to be part of the whole deal...... i have had a harder time with floor work and i use to cry at seminars and in classes because i was limited and could not get on the ground with the dudes.... I was handicapped from a very young age with a broken back and i thought it would be the Bain of me on the ground... but i learned something from a fellow teacher/inspiration...... he teaches add and adhd kids and he is really fully handicapped, he teaches from a wheelchair and he knows his stuffs to be sure... his name is sensei Manuel and he teaches here on the so coast of NJ..... i learned that i could not be taken to the ground and i had to learn all the other ways not too get there.... then i had to take a years worth of privet training..... very careful training 3 days a week on the floor just learning the stuffs that i could do and could not do based on my physical limitations and then learning all the stuff and reading about it all and then teaching someone how to do it all without being able to do most of it myself in demonstrations..... i had to learn how to teach it all differently..... """ok now for Sr. Chad...... """ Ms. J...... grin' well i hope i don't let ya down lad.... here goes... i think that some of what you were asking of me to comment on i sent in the last posting with your post..... then Jocelyn validated another part of what i believe..... now here is the catch.... there are things that a women can do if she is on the ground but i think that you should be able to do the same things before he actually gets his legs ..... Both his legs in between you..... there is a movement that i learned that my Privet trainer and Sr. Vp of FATE org Mr Bifson taught me..... its not what most would probably see because it was something that he had to find to suit me and by doing so he found something that made sense for too teach to all in a basic woman's self defense or personal defense class...... He also teaches the same move to his male students privately.... he calls it a shrimp and push move.... this move is most effective actually for women.... why? because its based on something that women have on there body's that's an advantage over men..... what is that....... There HIPS..... a woman's hips are one of her strongest parts of her body because of the way women are built for reproduction..... there hips tend to be the strong point and something that can be moved better then a man can.... i will try and describe the movement for you.... i.e. lets say the dude gets one leg in between your legs as he is moving this way your buck your hips to up and to the side you push your hips off the ground slightly and you then push your hands off the body of the dude at the same time making your body and hips push you away from him..... that gives you enough time to at least roll aside.... then you back up off your Bottom and get up off the floor and your run your silly butt away...... as GF Jocelyn...said get your butt out of there and fast we are not there too roll around the ground with some dude indefinitely in an arm bar to be then picked up off the ground and slammed into the wall and be knocked out cold or worse...... again my point taken on women thinking differently then men.... not better, not smarter, just differently and there are reasons..... The American journal of medicine is on line and statistics are at everyone access... but you know something i found out that Women not only have a different out look on the arts but we teach them differently....I thought it was just me that taught self defense or my FMA classes differently.... but last summer i found out otherwise....... 80 % of my life time training in any art or self defense time was taught to me by men..... and very aggressive men.... all men larger and bigger then me...... even the training i did as a young adult was done by men in the Los Angeles police department.... there were very few women training at the academy back then... and they ran a program there for young adults from the greater Los Angeles area geared towards getting kids and keeping then keeping them out of the gangs Last summer i trained with 500 woman and i learned as much about myself and what i was doing and how i felt overall about the arts and self-defense for women then the rest of my life.... why because most of what i learned there was that i was doing most of it right.... i also found that my level of aggressiveness was way more then most could deal with in training..... But that was actually a good thing,, because it gave me validation and empowerment from training with both genders... it also taught me huge amounts about woman and training them..... yeah i had read everything there was out there and seen 80 % of the programs offered... But this was different.... i was called the trouble maker the rest of the weekend jokingly, because of one classes i took that was taught outdoors... the class covered a lot of what i already was making part of fate org and it gave me a better prospective of the actual level of contact and aggressive ness most women had, even the ones that had been in the arts for 25 years as teachers and educators... when we did scenarios i was the one that pushed the women father then they expected... when we did demonstrations the techs that i used seemed to be unexpected... why?...... well i believe its because most of the women that i trained with there came from one ma or fma background but there overall cross training was limited... also there out and out Street defense was different they had committed themselves, most of them too one art.... like i said we were outside and doing out and out self defense for women.... the mind set was different and what i had been doing for most of my life off and on was cross training and survival based on my body and my handicaps and taught to me by dudes..... but i backed up my training with study as well and took the time to do as much as i could educate myself..... are you kidding i am still learning and will be in the learning mode the rest of my life... that's the way it should be.... I found out that each person needs to be able to find what suites them and be able to have it offered to them in a way that is easy for them to remember... we should teach out and out self defense but at the same time we need to cover the other aspects of what an art will teach us long term just as Jocelyn said.... we learned it even though some of us are not suited for all of the different arts each of us should be encouraged to find something that suits us.... as i said i don't think that the way we are going about Personal self defense is nessacaryly the right way and maybe we should look at it differently... "this is for Chad"****** ( " The Woman with the Big Sticks bows deeply to you" ) again we go back to what Sr. Chad said.... that it was not shown to him in an interesting way or a manner that he could understand.... i agree that is part of the deal with woman, again as stated in my last post we have different reasons not to go into an art..... i have spent 3 years investigating the reasons the average women dose not or dose get into an art and the reasons a women will or will not take a class in self defense.... i have also looked at the realities of the fact that over the past year...Just this past 12 months i done over 200 hours of my paid training on the road in seminar or in classes around the country above and beyond my normal training locally, except the 4 days with the NWMAF it was with dudes... the percentage of women at these seminars and classes were 10% of not less in some classes ... hell i had to start training women just so i could have women to train with..... I spent 3 days the end of dec, at the ring of fire.... selat and FMA, i will tell you something... it was scary.... selat is so totally an appropriate art for women...... but there were only 3 women there, me being one of them and the other 2, one was the wife of the pak vic she is again a full instructor and was the organizer of the event and the other was a wife of one of the main instructors and instructor in her own rights .... and its been this way for as long as i can remember when training... Selat and FMA are very appropriate style's for women...Why aren't there more women taking these classes? there is a way to give the arts and woman's self defense and awareness training differently.... i have been teaching a class for woman here for a wile, i am in the process of starting another class.. but its offered to woman way differently and in a manor that is not threatening to most woman.... there not afraid there going to get hurt or that its taking time from there family's... one of the reasons is because i am not using the accepted format for teaching these classes and i am using what i have learned overall..... as a whole, based on research/education/life experience as a woman...i spent 3 years investigating and researching just the reasons why there are so few woman in the arts overall...... Blush i don't like doing things half assed..... and again i felt that it was my job as an educator to learn as much of the aspects of what i was going to teach before i did it.... Especially because of the plans i had for the Victims Program that FATE is offering this coming summer..... anyone that is interested in what we are doing for the program you can find it on our site map... http://www.f-a-t-e.org/Fate%20site%20map.html anyone interested in being part of what we are doing can go here... http://www.f-a-t-e.org/fateasap1.html ok well i tried to keep this letter short but there was just way too much to answer for..... Ms J...... "( your too funny Chad ) "Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do." ...Goethe... ------------------------------ From: Edward Mengel Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:02:43 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Big Red Rumble Martial Arts Tournament This might be of interest to anyone who wants to have some fun hitting people with padded weapons and perhaps get a trophy for it. Big Red Rumble Martial Arts Tournament Cornell University - Ithaca, NY Mixed weapons fighting (including single and double eskrima, katana, and 5 foot staff) Weapons and empty-hand forms Self-defense Empty-hand sparring Sunday, Feb 18th, 11am - 5pm $10 per event or $25 for all 5 events and 3 ft trophies for first place Sponsored by the Cornell Okinawan Karate and Arnis Club and the NASFL. for more info go to http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/ecm12/BigRedRumble.doc or email ecm12@cornell.edu ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 13:28:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Re: rape/bjj defense >>Any people who want to play with the guard in a streetfight should go >>into the gym right now, go into your guard and place a broken >>bottle/brick/knife/used condom within reach of your opponent to use. We do this. Except no used condoms or knifes. I roll on concrete and asphalt so I am aware of its advantages and disadvantages. I don't run up a flight of stairs, but when I roll, I roll for about 6 hours, not straight, with some breaks in between, but it is common for us to roll for approximately 30 mins to 45 at a time, sometimes longer and twice in a row, so conditioning is a part of the individuals training program. Also, I was talking about rape defense options, not street fights. And, maybe it's just Hawaii, but I don't see alot of places with broken bottles/bricks/knifes just lying around. I'm sure there are places, and yes I can point out a few, but I don't hnag out there at night, and I think these places may be the exception rather than the norm. Here's a quote that I read the other week: "The grappling arts imply most fights end up on the ground. The striking arts imply all fights start standing up. The clinching arts imply the clinch can stop the striker from striking, and the grappler from taking it to the ground. A mixed martial art implies any fight can go anywhere...be ready and able to go everywhere." With emphasis on the last portion. Like I stated in last digest though about the guard for rape defense option: >Hey Kendal, I'm not THE grappler around here, my knowledge is minimum, >so if someone else around here can give a better explanation or some >input, I'd look forward to it. BTW, I may have overrated a statement >"interested in a great tactic to countering a rape assault" would be >incorrect. There are alot more knowledgeable people on that matter >here, so I'll leave that to them, but, knowledge of the guard is >something I think would be good for women to know, if you are alone, >and you are in that position already. With that said. There is no one thing that will constitute as proper "self-defense" for anyone. The only way to really be able to defend yourself is to train. If the guard is something some of you are not comfortable in...maybe you should train it. Also, notes that it can be an option and the statement doesn't say "you should jump up and put him into your guard. I am not a woman though, and have never had anyone attempt to rape me. From what I see, if you say that having a knife and knowing how to use it is a good self-defense measure, there are 101 reasons why its not, not proper training, awareness, adrenaline, etc., etc. If you say that your stand up skills are so good that you won't go to the ground, you may be suprised one day, if you say that you only train ground because all fights go there, you may be suprised one day, if you say you only train weapons because you always carry your knife, you may be suprised one day. So what constitutes as good "self-defense" training??? I am not a self-defense expert, I fight. I train to take someone out right away. If someone attacks me on the street, I do not want to defend myself, I want to take him out and walk away. Actually this is with the option that I can not get away. I will use my knife to convince the other guy that he does not want to attack me and get away, and if he comes closer, he was warned. I train three and two on one with real strikes, I have rolled with more than one person at once, I take my licks, but I have no fallacy about what I can and can not do. Are there any scenarios or training methods that I could train to better prepare myself and help me to undersand some of your points? No offense taken...none given. Like I said, this ain't my area, what I do is not "self-defense", what I do is stop people from hurting me no matter what the situation. ===== Chad chad@fullcontacthi.com Full Contact Stickfighting Hawaii http://www.fullcontacthi.com http://www.egroups.com/group/stickfighting __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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