From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #43 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 24 Jan 2001 Vol 08 : Num 043 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #41 mindboxing eskrima: Re: Male/Female brains eskrima: DV conference eskrima: Snipercraft, Inc. eskrima: Hands up who would kill eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #42 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #42 - Natural born killer's eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #42 eskrima: Re: brains eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: T2J2M2@cs.com Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:52:45 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #41 mindboxing Mindboxing seems like a lot of magical thinking to me. I checked over its web site, and frankly, they seem to be selling a lot of watered down eastern philosophy with the promise of superhuman powers and fighting ability. It seems these people who run Mindboxing have watched too much of "Kung Fu." As an example, they use a man who can bench 500lbs and squat 650 lbs. He knocked out 3 heavyweight fighters. Big deal. The man could bodyslam a horse to begin with. As for one of the achievements, i.e., standing on one foot while resisting someone taking you down sounds like crap to me. Standing on one foot has no stability. The attacker had no imagination, or it was a setup. I believe they made the claim that you need qui to be a truly great fighter. W. E. Fairbain, Rex Applegate, and Col Carson( US Marine Raiders) never used or even heard of qui, yet stick one of the mindboxers in a locked room with a knife with one of these men in their prime, and the mindboxer will be in a world of hurt. The System that they used DEFENDO, was used and proven in the back alleys in crime ridden Shanghai in the 20's. The opponents of the police (Defendo was taught to the police) used many of the same arts mentioned in the mindboxing website. The police came out on top most of the time. More important, no one has been able to define qui, no one has been able to measure qui. No medical instrument that I have seen has ever saw a meridian before. They are not on a CAT scan, an MRI, x-ray, ultrasound, or stress test. You can only feel it. You can cut into a qui meridian with a surgeon's scalpel (so long as there is no nerve there) and not suffer damage. If qui acuity existed, you would think that someone would have seen something by now. What I believe passes for qui is a combination of bio-electric, bio-chemical, and bio-mechanical (technique) processes with some self-hypnosis thorn in. That is not mystical. Before I get a bunch of e-mails saying that I can't disprove qui, well that's true. No one can disprove a negative. I cannot prove that zero does not exist. I can't prove that fairies don't exist. The same goes for pixies, brownies (the English kind), gnomes, elves, ETs, Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, dragons, vampires, the bogeyman, and werewolves. But then again, I don't have to. The burden of proof is on the one who makes such claims. ------------------------------ From: gints@att.net Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 22:21:54 +0000 Subject: eskrima: Re: Male/Female brains > From: Chris McWethy > (stuff deleted) > male brain is better at focusing in on a singular task. One thing does stay > consistant in both the male and female brain, and that is that both only use > 10% of it's total capability. This number is misleading. Usually, it is used to the % of the brain for which we have a functional understanding. Another common number, 3%, usually refers to the typically active portion of the brain. In any case, the small numbers do not mean that we do not use or have never used parts of the brain. Cool as it may be, we do not access all memory storage all of the time. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 18:42:45 PST Subject: eskrima: DV conference FYI... Ray --------------------------------------------------------- National Domestic Violence and Sexual Assault Conference From: 23-Apr-2001 To: 25-Apr-2001 Register for class by: 16-Apr-2001 Price: $375.00 Max Students Allowed: 500 Host Hotel: Mission Valley Doubletree Hotel Hotel Phone: 619-297-5466 or 800-222-TREE Distance To Event: On site Location: San Diego, CA (Mission Valley Doubletree Hotel) Contact Name: Anne O'Dell Contact Email: Anne2215@aol.com Contact Phone: 858-679-2913 City: San Diego State: California URL: http://www.stopdv.com Description: This is a 3 day class with outstanding national presenters. Target audience is police, prosecutors, judicial, and probation. Go to http://www.stopdv.com for more information. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 18:46:46 PST Subject: eskrima: Snipercraft, Inc. More FYI... Ray ---------------------------------------------------------------- Advanced Sniper School From: 07-May-01 To: 11-May-01 Register for class by: 27-Apr-2001 Price: $300.00 Max Students Allowed: 20 Required Equipment: Sniper grade rifle, scope, bipod, 300 rounds of match grade ammunition, tactical callout gear. Host Hotel: Kingsley Field Billeting Hotel Phone: Det. Striefel 541-883-5336 Distance To Event: On site Location: Klamath Falls, Oregon Contact Name: Detective Tony Striefel Contact Email: kfpd@cvc.net Contact Phone: (541)883-5336 City: Klamath Falls State: Oregon Description: Snipercraft, Inc. will be instructing a basic sniper school during the listed dates. $300.00 tuition includes course and lodging. ------------------------------ From: "Michael Koblic" Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:34:41 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Hands up who would kill "When I ask that question to a room full of men, I get about a 95% hand raise... most often all raise their hands. They wouldn't hesitate. When I ask this to a room full of women, I get a varying response... on a rare ocassion I get 75% raising their hand. Most of the time I get 40-50% raising their hand. Sometimes I get ONE hand in the whole class. Most who do raise their hands do so tentatively. *ONCE* in 6 years of training did I get an entire class of women who raised their hand. In your opinion, why is this? (I am not setting you up for anything here - I really would like to know your view on this)." An excellent question to which I can only guess the answer. Rather than giving the usual cliches about nurturing natures of women etc. I would suggest that the difference is in expectations and self image. Men are *expected* to be ready to kill, women are not. Then there is a big difference in what one says and what one does: I guess I would raise my hand in your class - I would like to believe that I have that capability. Yet my long experience teaches me that one does not *know* unless one has done it. Which I have not. I wonder how many of the men who raise their hands would actually deliver on their assertions... Mike Koblic, Quesnel BC ------------------------------ From: "q" Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:41:07 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #42 FWIW folks you don't jump up am put someone in your guard. You protect your guard and never go there unless you have to. That place you can fight from but it is not an advantageous place like the side mount, mount, or the other 15 Gotch positions. Regards, Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S. Redondo Beach, Ca. ------------------------------ From: "Jon Howard" Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 09:05:18 -0000 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #42 - Natural born killer's > > From: TaoArt@aol.com > Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:55:31 EST > Subject: eskrima: Women and Men in Defense > > Michael writes: > > << That is the sort of comment that a man would often get crucified for. I for > one have never understood how women's self defense differs from men's. The > purpose surely is to stop being attacked and not to get hurt in the process > without, hopefully, too much legal fallout later. >> > > I can illustrate the biggest difference with one of my opening questions to > my women's self defense course (which I have been teaching for 6 years): > > I ask the women "How many of you here will, if it is your only chance for > survival, be able to kill your attacker?" > > When I ask that question to a room full of men, I get about a 95% hand > raise... most often all raise their hands. They wouldn't hesitate. When I > ask this to a room full of women, I get a varying response... on a rare > ocassion I get 75% raising their hand. Most of the time I get 40-50% raising > their hand. Sometimes I get ONE hand in the whole class. Most who do raise > their hands do so tentatively. *ONCE* in 6 years of training did I get an > entire class of women who raised their hand. > I would say that %95 of the men who raised their hands were either lying, suffering from peer group pressures (jeez am I the only one in this room that COULDN'T kill someone), or living in some kind of Rambo delusional fantasy. I would have thought that when push came to shove the women might be more capable of being pushed over the edge - especially if the situation involved their children - can't beat that good 'ole maternal instinct. Would a better question be - How many people in this room value themselves as a person enough to do what is required to NOT become a victim. Just my $0.02 Jon... ------------------------------ From: Patrick Davies Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 09:13:30 -0000 Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #42 And im with you there on the benefits of conditioning. However the broken bottles/bricks/knifes/used condoms was to suggest that anything could be there - even a table lamp, shoe or cup of coffee. These can be used against someone using the guard with a 100lb weight difference easily. The main thing with the guard is that it's a good place to be when all things are equal but when I saw Eric Paulson sprint action (pumping knees) while in someone's guard it brought tears to my eyes! ; ) The question and thought process is the relevant thing here not whats right or wrong because we have to adapt to each area of circumstances. The rape defence/street fight mentality is different to long term endurance rolling and that's been covered by others on the list. My point is that the initial shock of confrontation is the determining factor of how the result is to be determined. Im sure you train for that so please don't take it as critism but you don't train for the 100 metres by running marathons. Pat Davies -----Original Message----- From: Chad We do this. Except no used condoms or knifes. I roll on concrete and asphalt so I am aware of its advantages and disadvantages. I don't run up a flight of stairs, but when I roll, I roll for about 6 hours, not straight, with some breaks in between, but it is common for us to roll for approximately 30 mins to 45 at a time, sometimes longer and twice in a row, so conditioning is a part of the individuals training program. Also, I was talking about rape defense options, not street fights. And, maybe it's just Hawaii, but I don't see alot of places with broken bottles/bricks/knifes just lying around. I'm sure there are places, and yes I can point out a few, but I don't hnag out there at night, and I think these places may be the exception rather than the norm. ------------------------------ From: Jonas Dyhrfjeld-Johnsen Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:33:32 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Re: brains Chris McWethy wrote: > the male and female brain and how the two differ. True, the female mind > uses both hemispheres of the brain to learn and function while the male mind > uses one hemisphere at a time. The reason for this is in the female brain > the two hemispheres are able to communicate better than in the male brain > because the sheath that divides the two hemispheres (the name of which I > forget) has better conductivity in the female than in the male. What this > means is that the female brain is more capable of multitasking while the > male brain is better at focusing in on a singular task. This is one of the most far-fetched interpretations I (unfortunately once again) hear, - no offense to Chris, but more so to the speaker portraying the facts in this way. Being a neuroscientist myself and specialized in modelling of brain areas and functions, I must stress that there is not clear evidence in this direction whatsoever. Womans brains do seem to have a higher (that is: Mens brains have this connectivity as well, but not as strong) connectivity between the two hemispheres through the formation known as the "Corpus Callosum", that consists of connecting nerve fibers. However our understanding of the exact workings of the brain are still so imperfect, that anyone using this to conclude whether or not this has any influence for the capability of multitasking cannot be considered a serious scientist. Moreso, - if you consider the fact that most sensory stimuli will arrive at only one hemisphere of the brain in the primary sensory areas, and are then processed through various established networks, how should the amount of interconnectivity have any influence on the ability to perform multitasking, when the tasks are already separated ??? If one should venture any kind of vague hypothesis, it would more likely be that the amount on interconnectivity between the hemispheres would have an impact on the ability to integrate information, rather than process it separately in parallel. However, - lots of connections in the brain between areas also go through the socalled white matter, so focusing solely on the corpus callosum is again not very scientific. > One thing does stay > consistant in both the male and female brain, and that is that both only use > 10% of it's total capability. This again is a misunderstanding, stemming from the fact that the part of the brain containing the neurons, who actually perform the information processing, only takes up ~10% of the entire volume, - this is the grey matter organized in the cerebral cortex. The rest is more or less filled by all the connecting nervefibers, and constitutes the white matter. So the statement should be: Both male and female brain only contain information processing units in 10% of the entire volume. The rest is taken up by connections, - and these are hugely important for the function of the brain, - giving it its enormous capacity for parallel processing and integration that still no other device can rival. Sincerely, Jonas - -- - ------------------------------------------------------------- Jonas Dyhrfjeld-Johnsen (Ms.sc.Biophysics & Bs.sc.Physics) Graduate student in the Computational Systems Neuroscience Group at the C. & O. Vogt Brain Research Institute in Duesseldorf, Germany. (office phone +49-211-81-12095) ** What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger ! ** - ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 8:19:19 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #43 *************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.