From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #46 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thur, 25 Jan 2001 Vol 08 : Num 046 In this issue: eskrima: RE: Bahi wood eskrima: re:Ki training eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #43 eskrima: Jimmy Tacosa videos eskrima: Abu Dhabi Combat Club eskrima: Action Star eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #44 eskrima: Women and Men in Defense eskrima: Re: Killer instincts eskrima: To Chi or Not To Chi :-) eskrima: Show of Hands eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Howard Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:10:24 -0600 Subject: eskrima: RE: Bahi wood Ken Howard Subject: eskrima: Bahi wood We received a number of bahi and kamagong sticks from the Philippines. 26" by 3/4" or 7/8". They are straight and polished. Ferdinand Peralta, the president/head instructor, is willing to sell some at what I think is a good price. Ferdie can be reached by phone at (204) 955-9164 e-mail ferdie@attcanada.ca Falcon Armado Martial Arts 1153 Ingersoll St Winnipeg, MB Canada R3E 2M3 Ken Howard Falcon Armado Martial Arts ------------------------------ From: "Johnaleen" Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 00:31:33 -0500 Subject: eskrima: re:Ki training Very well put Steve........ " Johnaleen bows deeply too you" If you are interested we have a few things on ki i can pass to you on the healing side also .... I have some other facts for you as well on some of the training the Seal's have received in Ki if you like.... I believe it was part of a few of the teams training and concepts at one time... i am just not sure of the level that they used the training on and i would like too double check what was actually taught.... Let me know Johnaleen..... F.A.T.E. Facilitating Awareness Through Empowerment 1-888-526-4626 FATE@f-a-t-e.org www.f-a-t-e.org ------------------------------ From: "steven drape" Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:35:28 +0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #43 > No medical instrument that I have seen has ever saw a meridian > before. They are not on a CAT scan, an MRI, x-ray, ultrasound, or stress > test. You can only feel it. You can cut into a qui meridian with a surgeon's > scalpel (so long as there is no nerve there) and not suffer damage. Concerning qi, there is some new evidence that suggests that, while qi does work somewhat like the ancients suggest, it is NOT based on some special extra pathways. Instead, it is nerve based. One of the men in the forefront of developing the MRI is a Chinese gentleman (whose name escapes me at the moment). He has recently conducted extensive research into qi, using the MRI. As an example, he took MRI photos of the brain as a person was being given visual stimuli, then later, stimulated the qi points on the body that supposedly connected to the eyes and took the same MRI photos. The MRI photos were very similar- in other words, the qi points stimulate the brain in nearly the same manner as actual visual stimuli. Since the brain is an organ that receives and sends electrical impulses through the nervous network, his theory simply states that, in order for qi points to involve the brain, it must involve nerves in some manner. At the moment, he has been unable to discover any other method or pathways for the stimulation to actually reach the brain, which it is obviously doing. These tests are good news for qi practitioners, in any case, because regardless of whether qi is nerve-based or meridian-based, the fact is it does work! > I would say that %95 of the men who raised their hands were either lying, > suffering from peer group pressures (jeez am I the only one in this room > that COULDN'T kill someone), or living in some kind of Rambo delusional > fantasy. I have to agree 100% here. When even a high percentage of soldiers in battle can't fire their weapons, at a time when it is considered "OK" to kill someone and when you really do want to save your own life (whether the refusal to fire comes from a fear of dying or fear of killing doesn't matter, the result is inaction), it is definitely a "Rambo fantasy" that causes 100% of a roomful of men to make that claim. The average man, even a trained man, often freezes his first time in combat(sometimes first few times, if he survived the first one). The rate of casulties is extremely high for newcomers, and part of that is not that they are untrained, or that they are weak. The actual fact is that they can't kill at that first instant when it is kill or be killed. Hesitation is the killer. If they survive that first encounter, they are much more likely to be able to move first the next time. In a civilian setting, like an assault or mugging, it's very unlikely that a trained but inexperienced man will be able to kill his attacker without thought. The odds are much higher that he will be killed instead, all other things being equal. Steve - -- _______________________________________________ FREE Internet Email for the Martial Arts! Kung Fu Online http://www.kungfuonline.com Powered by Instant Portal ------------------------------ From: abanico-video-knuettel@t-online.de (Dieter =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kn=FCttel?=) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 08:40:44 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Jimmy Tacosa videos Hello, I need the help of you digest-members. I just got the following inquiery from a customer: > Dear Mr. Dieter Knuttel > I received your E-mail and I thank you for your fast response it is > very much appreciated. Can't wait to get the new Mike Inay videos. > Also I don't know if you > could help me or not but I've been looking for sometime now for video > tapes made by Jimmy Tocosa , their were two that he made dealing with > cabales serrada escrima ,concepts 1and 2 ,do you by any chance have an > idea who mite have these tapes. I heard that quicksticks mite have > these? If you have any info on these tapes I would be grateful for any > information. Thank you again. If anybody has informations about these tapes, or has Jimmy Tacosas homepage URL or has his e-mail adress, please mail it to me. Any help would be greatly appreciated Thank you in advance. Dieter Knüttel ABANICO Video Productions http://www.abanico.de European Modern Arnis Representative http://modern-arnis.de ------------------------------ From: "jon broster" Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 01:44:32 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Abu Dhabi Combat Club Hi I just noticed the post that said that the ADCC world championships would be on in April ("great" I thought, I am going to be in Dubai that week (only 2 hours away)) Only the event is in MARCH Check out the web site: http://www.adcombat.com/submission/ADCC2001/ Jon http://www.geocities.com/jonbroster ------------------------------ From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 06:09:20 EST Subject: eskrima: Action Star Ray, Joseph Estrada is an Action Hero in Philippine Cinema back on the late 60's early 70's, he made a number of Films, one of my favorite is the "Kumander Alibasbas" the Commander of HUKS in Central Luzon based true to life story. He is like Fernando Poe Jr. type of actor, first he will beaten in the first encounter then gained strenght and finished all of his enemy. He play always a poor character in the movie, living under the quiapo or in Squater area. Wearing Black jean jacket and pants and he is know for his shoes in the movie the All Star Converse the old canvass model. Just my two cent. << Former RP President Estrada was a former action movie star? What type of action movies did he do? He seems to walk with a bad limp... an accident from stunt work? Just curious. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com >> ------------------------------ From: Bladewerkr@aol.com Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 08:10:25 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #44 Just my $. 02 worth on a couple of things. (1) Hand raising aside no one knows how they will react until it happens and my prayer is that it will remain, for all of you, an academic question. (2) Chi is an accepted property in traditional Chinese medicine among others albeit by different names. You cannot "prove" its existence with western scientific methods, at least as yet. We keep making advances that destroys our previous conceptions of reality. In the orient using that set of criteria they can tell you what chi does and how it acts/reacts. They can tell you the "laws" concerning chi, much as we can tell you the laws of electricity, but who can explain what electricity is? The problem with chi is that it is a hard to grasp concept and as such lends itself well to fraud, as do all things metaphysical. I was raised in New Orleans, if you go to the French Quarter, you'll find Voo Doo hucksters all over. Does that mean that Voo Doo is all like what the tourist get? Hardly! I have been to St. John's bayou and there is a lot that I can't explain. I personally think that what is termed "Magick" will eventually be discovered to be simply science that we have not yet discovered. "A truly wise man walks a narrow path between the skeptic and the rube." J. O. Blackstone ------------------------------ From: TaoArt@aol.com Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:27:11 EST Subject: eskrima: Women and Men in Defense Crafty writes:<< In a sense my visceral reaction to the femi-nazi mindset is because I see it is an ideology that seeks to have the theories of the mind determine what we each of us is instead of celebrate it. >> I think, Crafty, that I understand where you are coming from. I utterly disagree with *any* philosphy that demands that we must act or think in a certain way - and that those women who are most comfortable with expressing the classical "feminine" aspects should not be hung out to dry by certain feminists. However, I think your exposure to feminism has been one of an extreme. And that is why I reject the label of feminist - because it pushes people away who might otherwise listen to what I have to say. So I call myself a Humanist. I am not seeking "equality" as in "everyone the same"... I am seeking for everyone, regardless of race, gender or sexual preference, to have the *opportunity* to be other than what society views as "normal" for them without being persecuted. In essence, I'd like *more* diversity, not less. I'd like the _individual_ to be able to determine what is right for them, not society as a whole. Johnaleen writes:<> Yes, we do ask women if they would kill to protect their children. And then we move on to explain that their children would be devastated if their mom was killed by the attacker. Sometimes, this is the only way to reach a woman and let her feel justified in protecting herself. But this usually goes only so far. When roleplaying how to command a man to stop touching you when he has ignored repeated attempts at your polite requests for him to cease his behavior, you need to feel that you have a *right* to do so. That it is ok for you to be "rude" and "assertive" when the situation demands it. Many women don't even view this as an option. They go from asking to "freeze in fear" or to begging. The idea of using verbal commands in a poweful voice and being prepared to defend themselves physically if attacked is extremely foreign to them. My point isn't that we tell all little girls that they need to be rough and tough. My point is that we *don't* tell them that it is wrong to be rough and tough. And that sometimes, hopefully not often, they *may* have to be rough and tough if their life depends on it. I've got no problem with my 6 year old girl wearing pink frilly dresses and wearing nail polish. But she also plays tackle soccer with her dad, has a passion for kickboxing and wears basketball sneakers with that pink dress. She decides who she is and what she likes. The hurdle isn't making women into killers. The hurdle is allowing them to think of themselves in terms of the type of person they *want* to be verses the type of person that they have been told they *should* be. Meghan Gardner Guard Up, Inc. www.GuardUp.com "Always carry love in your heart and a knife in your pocket." me ------------------------------ From: "Jesse [IHF] Greenawalt" Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:24:44 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Killer instincts Johnaleen writes: >Personally i start at a different place.. when i am trying to get a woman to >understand the process of saving her life.... instead I teach them by >getting them to recognize that they would kill someone if it was too protect >there young and loved ones... >then you transfer this to if you don't protect yourself , your children and >the people you love will have no one to take care of them... so i.e. if you >love your children enough to protect them and kill then you have to protect >yourself enough to have to do so as well for there sakes.... You do, at some point, get them to the point of "you should also love YOURSELF and protect you for your OWN sake", right? Maybe in reality that's not possible in all cases, but IMO that's the goal. >In abusive homes with victims the processes is somewhat different.... >mentally you have to get the woman there too recognize that they are part of >the abuse of there children, because they are not protecting them and bring >again that base instincts of of preserving the ones you love by not letting >someone hurt you or the children.... How do you address someone in an abusive situation who has no children? Is there still a method of mindset change via "proxy protection", or do you go straight to "YOU are worth defending"? >There is a lot of denial that goes with victims though so its a lot harder >to bring the things out that we need to for there preservation...Many >victims hate themselves and have lost self love and love of there children >because of the pain associated with there past and what happened when in the >past they tried to fight back .... so the work is harder.... To the detriment of all of us. That a human being should come to such a mindset in the first place is a tragedy. I can see little pieces of that in some 5th graders my wife teaches. Not in an abuse situation (that I'm aware of), but in a lack of self worth. It can be a slow, insideous process... jester ____________________ www.kicksandstix.com Gemberling's Martial Arts Tae Kwon Do & Arnis ------------------------------ From: kalkiusa@netscape.net (Mikal Keenan) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:14:04 -0500 Subject: eskrima: To Chi or Not To Chi :-) Just a neutral, albeit informed comment on the qui/chi thang ... everything uses chi/prana/pneuma, whatever you want to call it. The electrical nature of the universe which drives all things is the essence of what some can manifest as "chi" or "prana" ... similar manifestations of what is essentially the same stuff. Some people make wild claims, not unlike the rest of the superstitious ... but as the saying goes, sometimes "Truth is stranger than fiction." Those who know most about these things are the ones who will say least. I know firsthand what someone with real knowledge can do. "When I wuz a young man" :-) and thought that I knew a lot about effective striking I had the opportunity to "argue" with someone who knew what the frick it's about, know what I mean? he had me put a phone book in front of my shoulder, then popped it in the way that I had descriobed as "the" best way to hit. Then he popped it again, a little lighter this time. My eyes bugged out and my jaw! dropped when I felt what seemed to be a spike of lightning rush from my shoulder -underneath the book- down through my torso into my upper abdomen. Imagine the roots of a tree with the surface of the ground as the spot on the front of shoulder/chest where whatever you wanna call it entered. I THOUGHT THAT I WUZ GONNA DIE FOR SHOOTIN OFF AT THE MOUTH TO THE -WRONG- (WRONG) PERSON!!! Anyone who knows me will tell you that I am a ++very++ rational type who teaches "don't believe, test/evaluate." My evaluation of this experience was that everything that I had learned and been taught about both physics and what my Afro-Asian uncle called "the second nature of life" was/is sound, not to frick around with. Perhaps some get a little giddy and make wild claims, but even some of them can be very dangerous. Difficult to deal with something that you've never seen or experienced before. Sometimes difficult to deal with even if you have seen or experienced it before :-) If this is ! true of what we usually call "physical", then it is even moreso true of whatever else there may be (it's all physical to me ;-) Yes, we have electricity in the body (same uncle told me to wear galoshes so that I wouldn't leak energy in the rain :-) ... this is simple physics and chemistry. We transduce energy in the mitochondria. At a lower level within the mitochindria (all of which come from mother) there are structures called "cristae" which do the job of moving electrons ... electrons flow from one crista to another. The flow of electrons is called ... huh? Electric current! Wherever there is an electric current there is a surrounding electromagnetic field (all you physicists out there: remember the right hand rule). These are facts. Various body tissues: bones, skin, nerves, blood vessels ... have varying electrocunductive characteristics ... which can be manipulated either chemically, mechanically (e.g., acupuncture/pressure) or by volition (e.g., willful thinking, but it's all mechanical to me). We do not understand all of what is available to us for expression through all of these syste! ms. But just to jog some minds consider ... in what direction does communication flow in a nerve? There is an electrochemical propagation of info in one direction ... and, hey, there is a reverse flow of information in the form of what is called "axoplasmic flow" ... both of which can be manipulated as already alluded to. So how how much do we KNOW? Machines have been found capable of developing unpredictable (and seemingly impossible) forms of internal communication through wiring that was insufficient for such communication ... by modifying the electromagnetic field around the existing wiring (evolutionary computation and artificially-evolvable hardware ... the machines are very likely gonna win baby). It may be true that the body is capable of doing something similar, and that some have discovered ways to manipulate this to extract more of our potential. I've said too much so now I'll shut up. I agree with the post on this topic, but have to suggest that one consider that there are things beyond common experience. Rather than putting such things down because we encounter a poor representative, it might be helpful to consider that the poor representative simply is not a good representative of what he/she claims. We may never encounter a good representative, or we may encounter one who does not/will not show it. That doesn't mean that they can't. There are people around who can walk their walk, but don't talk about it. It is difficult to begin commenting on such stuff because it begs proof. Consider that once someone knows something they don't need to prove it unless they've got an ego problem. So, a parallel: Those who know often don't say. The guy who sent "X" through the phone book into my shoulder/chest NEVER talked about what he did, he simply did it. After my eyes popped back into my head (that's a joke, just joking awrite?:-) he simply said: "If that! had been on your chin you would have dropped and you'd be out now." He never said another word about it. Once you know you know. He knew directly. I know indirectly, i.e., I don't have his ability but I know that it is real by my own experience. With accomplishment there is also the need to deal with people who go into fear as a result of learning what someone can do, or who want it for themselves only to hurt others. Better to learn how to heal. If the temper is not well-managed, knowing some things could be a ticket to Hell, i.e., emit things that you can't take back, and then have to deal with whatever comes back. If it's OK for A to harm B (and B has done no harm to A), it's OK for anyone/anything to harm A. Some knowledge and abilities involve more extreme moral considerations and consequences. Be well, Mik __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ From: kalkiusa@netscape.net (Mikal Keenan) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:31:57 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Show of Hands I've always anchored all martial training with considerations of healthy family, community, etc., beginning with self. All animals have the same basic instincts/motivated behaviors. How we mobilize the motivation required to get the best fighter out of an individula can vary, any of the emotions can be used. Whatever moves the emotions moves the people, for better or for worse. Motivations around family run very deep and can extend to community, nation, etc. It's a natural. Pathological forms happen too, e.g., racism. Supposedly, as members of humanity we can comprehend the flaws (lies) there. OTOH, have someone consider the role that they may bave to play w.r.t. the well-being and survival of their immediate loved ones and/or friends and you can reach some very deep and powerful motivating "stuff" inside them. Also, have them consider the singular phenomenon of their life and continuance compared to its being snufed because some miscreant wants to use them for a crud! dy "experience" and then discard (murder) them and you can similarly reach some deeper motivational "stuff". A healthy, realistic sense of self worth, valuing self and =self-determinism= can affect a lot in a person's life. Self extends into family, group, community, nation, humanity. __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 9:06:58 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #46 *************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.