From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #49 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 26 Jan 2001 Vol 08 : Num 049 In this issue: eskrima: Re:Ki and the Seal's eskrima: On that Ki/Qi/Chi thang... eskrima: Article Tribute to Suro Mike Inay eskrima: Playing the odds eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #47 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #48 eskrima: Gat Puno Baet Seminar eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #48 eskrima: promotion ? eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Johnaleen" Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 09:36:01 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re:Ki and the Seal's I had a few responses to wanting to receive more information on Ki both for healing and again for what has been taught to the Seal's teams.. Ki/Reiki/Pruna/Que/Chi/ Universal Energy there all the same things, I want to say that its nothing that mystical most shroud this all in so much mysticism that many cant understand the concepts and make it something scary.. its just energy. everything is energy based you, me, trees, even the ground... its around us and in us Ki and the balance of it is what keeps you alive... if you get sick its because the balance or ki in your body is blocked or has stopped flowing in that part for a reason... that's why if you replace or help the ki to be replaced you can heal faster... it is really that simple and if we can convince navy seal's that its simple surely we can do the same with others and make this kind of healing more expectable to others in its presentation of the facts... its just that each of the energy or vibration healing modules have different ways and techniques to get the flow of ki working and going though your body... first the teams... i wanted to check the dates before i gave the information... from the mid 80's though to the end of the 90's Select teams were given as part of there training Ki and Ki healing concepts. these concepts where designed and taught for a number of reasons.. The main goal of the program at time relating to the ki training was focused on traumatic stress syndromes associated with after the effects of combat situations /terrorists acts and war time stress in general...all relating to the kind of situations that would be faced as a Seal. Kiatsu techniques were taught for accelerated healing/pain management Ki and Misogi Breathing were taught as part of stress management and to build Ki power and body control. Meditation with Ki concepts were taught for combat sleep with centering and dealing with emotional stress relief. part of the techniques that were worked into this program were techniques based on Nero associative conditioning/Nero linguistic programming and self Hypnosis Ok for those of you that would like some idea of the kind of healing Kiatsu is i have an address for you.. many think its like shiatsu but its actually very different than that.. go here i will save ray the long letter of me typing the explanations, that i have on line below... http://www.f-a-t-e.org/Dec%20Kiatsu/kiatsu1.html that will take you too the first page of 3 that are handed out when F.A.T.E. teaches some of the above techniques and yes its invaluable as a tool for us when dealing with traumatic stress disorders in abuse/assault/victims... also as a tool for self defense if the dude cant pick you up and he was expecting too then he is going to take a sec and be shocked and that gives you just enough time to take your elbow too his face and get out of dodge... "Johnaleen bows deeply" ------------------------------ From: "knopf_2000" Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:43:17 +0100 Subject: eskrima: On that Ki/Qi/Chi thang... Hi Jesse, here is a good book, that will change your opinon. "the power of internal martial arts" by B.K. Fratnzis. Read it, and the post again. mabuhay Thorsten _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "al sardinas" Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 13:14:30 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Article Tribute to Suro Mike Inay Congratulations to Guro Khalid Khan for the article in the March 2001 issue of Inside KungFu. It's a fitting article for Suro Mike Inay. The article briefly describes Suro as a leader and as an innovator in the Filipino Martial Arts. It also mentions the passing of leadership to Guro Jason Inay (forgive me for not using the right title), Ray Terry and ED. I know I'm getting old but can anyone tell me if there were other articles on the Inayan System in past issues? If not, it would be nice to see one. Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of Garimot System of Arnis ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 08:42:20 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Playing the odds A Howl etc: Chad wrote: > The Japanes say they have the ki. The chinese say they have the chi. > The Filipinos have the double L. (L L) ??? Well when we have the > knife, we KIll you and you CHIll. Crafty, is that the quote from Tuhon > Gaje? Or something like that. Yes, that would be GT Gaje :-) > KONRAD LORENZ > > I picked up a book "On Aggression" by Konrad Lorenz at Crafty's > referral some time back as recommended reading. At first, I'm thinking > WTF...Crafty must be a really smart guy ;), but seriously, if anyone > here is interested in the human/or animal behaviors and patterns of > interaction, Konrad Lorenz is definetly something to pick up. Check > out his books at Borders or something before you order them at Amazon, > though, his reading may be over some people's head...sometimes its over > mine. But all in all, the over picture that Lorenz paints is one that > makes sense when thought about and looked at after reading. Kind of > like a Vicent Van Gough piece. Glad you liked it! For those looking for some of his easier reads there's "King Solomon's Ring" and the stellar "Man meets Dog". For those willing to dive into the deep with a Nobel Laureate, there's "Behind the Mirror". Be warned, this is some heavy reading for most people, but well worth the effort. Meghan writes: > Ray - if you want to pull the plug on this for the digest, please forward > this to Crafty and we can take it off list. > > Crafty writes: > > << As you note Meghan, contradicting the individual child's nature is not > right, (and this is what I understand your point to be) but if men and women > are on the whole different, then IMHO and no disrespect intended to your > parenting, it is incomplete to say that the child decides, also the parent > must guide. A pre-pubescent child lacks the hormones and experiences to > understand the matters it will face as a > sexually matured male or female. IMHO parents SHOULD educate in a way that > is harmonious with the fact of sexual differences, but as I understand it, > the ruling ideology says this belief is sexist/oppressive etc, so a hearty > F.U. from me to the ruling ideology. >> > > I'm not willing to say that there are gender differences that are so drastic > beyond society's imposition of it's own gender perceptions that a child needs > to be guided in any particlular manner (regarding *gender*). It is my > experience (and that of some I know) that when a child is taught how to be a > good *human being* with no gender role attached, that they find their own > definition of self. And when shown support and love and given proper > discipline, a child will develop suitable self confidence for dealing with > society's view of their "abnormal" traits. > > I think that all men and women have "feminine" and "masculine" traits within > them. Some foster one side more than the other. As a parent, I can assist > my children in gaining *control* of their traits such that they become more > socially adept (eg teaching a child who cries at the drop of a hat how to > prevent a melt down as well as teaching a child who is overly rough with > other children how to prevent injuring another). But I'm not going to push > my child to be more "girlie" because it will make her more socially > acceptable or more available to men as a mate. There are many men who are > very attracted to women who don't fit the classic gender roles. I was > proposed to by 3 different men before I was 21. > > I think that the human creature is almost impossible to divide down to the > individual according to gender traits. There are so many different elements > that make up a person. Until science can (if ever) prove otherwise, I won't > make the assumption that my daughters are to be a certain way simply due to > their gender. I'd rather raise them to be self aware individuals - > disciplined, responsible, strong, and compassionate. > > Meghan Gardner I suspect we're less far apart than it may seem. Neither of us is for shoving anything down the child's throat contrary to its nature. But if my son's nature should be to watch TV instead of read, NO, he's going to learn to read and learn well. If necessary I will shoot the f*****g TV. My responsibility as a parent!. And to use a gender-based example-- to have the option of being a provider and protector when my son becomes a man, as a father I will guide him differently than I would guide a daughter. It may turn out that it was unnecessary to do so, but chances are it won't be-- and if he is unprepared, it will be to late for him to live as he was meant to. And if blessed with a daughter, I will be teaching her to avoid bums who can't protect and provide-- and teach her to provide for herself so she's not at the world's mercies. I'm not saying it can't work out that she's the principal provider, just that chances are that the man will be. As for who is the principal protector, I sure have a hard time picturing that being the woman. Anyway, I'll be a gentleman and leave last word to you. :-) Woof, Crafty Dog ------------------------------ From: "q" Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 08:59:24 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #47 I agree with Crafty 100%. Crafty Jr. should grow up to me a nice young gentleman. Regards, Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S. REdondo Beach, Ca. ------------------------------ From: "q" Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 09:09:19 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #48 On Chi, The late Alan Purganan who many of you know and I where at this demo of a chi master in L.A. . This thread reminds me of a gret chuckle we both had. The master takes two cups of water. One has warm water. He splits the fluid in two cups. He then dances around one cup of water and say "now do you guys feel that it is hotter than the other cup of water"? Alan ran up front to feel the magic. I sat in the back. I nearly died when I looked him in the eye and he just looked back at me and rolled his eyes with a mini negative shake of his head as the others up front confirmed the increase in warmth. Well the master proceeded to cure a few headaches but there was nothing I could see that was real. Alan was a beleiver in chi. When asked to be taught how he could hit me with a cross so hard he said it was his chi. Later I found out it was really his synch or muscles and delivery in motion he just could not teach it. At the same time Freddie Jin who some of you know too taught me how to cross with power the scientific way that Alan could show but not teach. Freddie broke it down to activation of muscle groups. He is an awesome teacher ranked #1 in Calif around 1982 in ameteur boxing. There was no chi. It was best described as "body mechanics". Regards, Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S. Redondo Beach, Ca. ------------------------------ From: Tim Rivera Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:19:52 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Gat Puno Baet Seminar The Majapahit Martial Arts Group of UMR is proud to be hosting Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet In this 2-day seminar, Guro Abon will be covering the Garimot system of Arnis de Mano, Harimaw Buno, Hilot, and the Larong Moro-Moro, dances which the Filipinos used to hide their martial arts from the Spanish. When - April 7 and 8 (Saturday and Sunday) 9:30 a.m. - 5 p.m. (1.5 hour lunch break) Where - Miner Recreation Building, Rolla, MO Cost - $30 for one day, $60 for both Register early and pay only $50 for both days For more information, contact Tim Rivera at river@umr.edu or visit http://www.umr.edu/~maja/garimot.html or visit Gat Puno's website at http://www.garimot.com/ ------------------------------ From: FGS & KVF Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 09:48:05 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #48 hello, does anyone know of any Arnis/Eskrima schools in the Sacramento, CA area? I had a teacher about 80 miles away from me, but now I don't work in that same area and was hoping to find one closer. I would appreciate any help. Spunky _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:04:38 PST Subject: eskrima: promotion ? > of Inside KungFu. It's a fitting article for Suro Mike Inay. The article > briefly describes Suro as a leader and as an innovator in the Filipino > Martial Arts. It also mentions the passing of leadership to Guro Jason Inay > (forgive me for not using the right title), Ray Terry and ED. Ummm, I have yet to see that issue. But if this is true, it seems that perhaps Khalid has given me a promotion, in Inayan Eskrima. :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com P.S. On the title thing... w/his passing, Mike Inay is now Mangisursuro Mike Inay. Jason now takes the title of Suro, Suro Jason Inay. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:58:33 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #49 *************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.