From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #50 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 26 Jan 2001 Vol 08 : Num 050 In this issue: eskrima: Fw: Reply to chad and empowement offered to many eskrima: Re: That Chi thang... eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #48 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #49 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #49 eskrima: Chi and warm water eskrima: No Mo Chi frum Me eskrima: Body mechanics eskrima: Qi/Ki/Prana eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #49 eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Johnaleen" Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 14:36:25 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Fw: Reply to chad and empowement offered to many Chad Wrote:***Ms. J, maybe she can put in some input with you for F.A.T.E. her credentials in competitions are fairly long and longer than most men that are teaching self-defense. Hope it helps some. Oh, and turn the volume up when you check out her site:*** Blush well i already went to her page the day ya posted her reply: she is on the list to be sure... but listen better then that what i would really like is to see that everyone here starts sending out the link, also i have a form on line there for associated memberships for schools/teachers/organizations ma/fma and healing organizations so that when the program comes to your area nationally then we will have places to go and send students and network them throughout our data base... it will also keep the schools alive and help bring women and there families to the arts in a new way.... and still give them the basic street defense as well as introducing them to all the arts... i have over 60000 letters from victims now wanting to be part of the program and thinking its a good idea... i get privet letters from you all saying its a good idea.. so.... help me make the good idea get up and running... and did you know its free....... this will cost you nothing to participate...Even all the Major orgs i have shown this too say J.. its innovative and a great idea you have our support... what i need are members so i can show that the arts support the idea.. for havens sakes its free and dose huge things for everyone involved... I cant do it all by myself you guys... who the heck is going to teach.... here is the direct page to the association from that is going out.. http://www.f-a-t-e.org/fateasap1.html and here is the direct link to the victims program its self http://www.f-a-t-e.org/victims%20program/fatevic1.html ps. I got a letter from the blackbelts main offices 3 days ago and there going to do a section on us first in the business section and then after that a story on the Victims Program " Facilitating Awareness Through Empowerment" Johnaleen.... 'All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dream with open eyes to make it possible - - - - T. E. Lawrence (Lawrence of Arabia) Ok so i am a chick but that makes me even more dangerous....... "The Women with big Sticks' F.A.T.E. Facilitating Awareness Through Empowerment 1-888-526-4626 FATE@f-a-t-e.org www.f-a-t-e.org ------------------------------ From: "Jesse [IHF] Greenawalt" Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 15:10:38 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: That Chi thang... Thorsten wrote: >here is a good book, that will change your opinon. >"the power of internal martial arts" by B.K. Fratnzis. >Read it, and the post again. I don't wish to be rude, but I'm not going to do that. Simply, explaining Chi without having someone experience it does no good. Without experience as a reference, it's useless info at best and an attempt at selling at worst. I've read a lot of things already that have been attributed to Chi, some of which have been disproven. That casts the rest into doubt, IMO. Understand that I WOULD like to see some of this proven true, particularly the healing aspects. Stories abound of feats of Chi. Of course, stories abound of bigfoot & the Loch Ness monster, too. And diet pills & books still fly off the shelves, and my mom still thinks going out in the cold without a hat causes a common cold. I realize that many respected people buy the Chi thing. But there are brilliant PhDs in theology that are Christian, Jewish, Muslim...you name it. For all that learning, a bunch of them are incorrect about many things. I'm certainly no authority. I come from a backwater area that only recently got a Wal-Mart. But I've seen a lot of hooey, and I know how people can be fooled by the power of suggestion. Anyone know of someone in the Pennsylvania that would be able to convince me otherwise? I'm always open to being humiliated by my own ignorance - it means I'm not quite that ignorant anymore... jester ____________________ www.kicksandstix.com Gemberling's Martial Arts Tae Kwon Do & Arnis ------------------------------ From: Powrscrol@aol.com Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 15:40:40 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #48 In a message dated 1/26/01 7:16:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << chi/ki .... we'd end up writing a book about the whole discussion >> I already have; then I condensed it into a chapter and combined it with some other (related) things, including an instant activation technique (Acutration). It cuts through a lot of bull_ _ _ _, and states everything in layman's terms. You really should check it out; I feel that it answers a LOT of questions. I've been working with this stuff for a long time. Click on my URL below. Steve W. Empty Hands Can Do http://www.powrscrol.com/ ------------------------------ From: Powrscrol@aol.com Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:20:22 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #49 In a message dated 1/26/01 11:35:53 AM Pacific Standard Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Kiatsu techniques were taught for accelerated healing/pain management >> Kiatsu is good; I've used it for years. Best to administer to yourself; can be dangerous when performing on others (can be like the "laying on of hands"; it's possible to pass on negative energy). Steve W. Empty Hands Can Do http://www.powrscrol.com/ ------------------------------ From: Powrscrol@aol.com Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:20:24 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #49 In a message dated 1/26/01 11:35:53 AM Pacific Standard Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << There was no chi. It was best described as "body mechanics". >> There is always chi -- all energy is chi; and, all chi is energy -- and, there are many kinds, not just 1. In my book, I clarify this. Steve W. Empty Hands Can Do http://www.powrscrol.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Michael Koblic" Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 13:37:00 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Chi and warm water "The master takes two cups of water. One has warm water. He splits the fluid in two cups. He then dances around one cup of water and say "now do you guys feel that it is hotter than the other cup of water"? " Right, this is what always bothers me about these demonstrations: surely the argument would be settled once and for all by sticking a thermometer in each! On second thought, there is boud to be a difference in temperature if the empty cup was at a different temperature to start with (put it in the fridge beforehand if you want the fake to be really impressive!). Mike Koblic, Quesnel BC ------------------------------ From: kalkiusa@netscape.net (Mikal Keenan) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:35:49 -0500 Subject: eskrima: No Mo Chi frum Me "there was no chi" ??? If there were no "chi" we would not be :-) There is always "chi", whatever we want to call that which moves all things. Chi exists in many forms, like wavelengths, its training is divided into Intellectual/Scholarly, Health, Healing, Martial and "Supernatural" applications. Intellectual/Scholarly is about "enlightenment", or experiencing the universe as it is (e.g., as opposed to our limited, conditioned human perceptions of it). Health is for promoting personal health and longevity. Healing is for promoting the health and longevity of others. Martial is for use in fighting (not necessarily related to hitting ... Indian martial arts incorporate the -same- concepts). Supernatural is "miraculous" :-) ... called "Ling Chi". These are all related, but different. Their cultivation is very different. They can be felt as heat or electricity. The electrical feeling is preferred, considered "clean." Before looking into such things one should train the mind, basic sanity, morality, relaxation/composure, concentration, reasoning/logic. Otherwise there will be problems. I once asked Shih Fu about Chi Kung training while walking down a street in Louisville. He replied: "I don't know nothing about chi." A few blocks later he blurted out: "One day I was practicing chi kung and all of a sudden I could not see ... good for me grandmaster was there and told me what to do. The only time that you get hurt is when you play." So, there are things that we can play with and things that we can't get away with playing with. Me, I stick with simple health stuff. Be well. __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Michael Koblic" Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 13:44:32 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Body mechanics "When asked to be taught how he could hit me with a cross so hard he said it was his chi. Later I found out it was really his synch or muscles and delivery in motion he just could not teach it. At the same time Freddie Jin who some of you know too taught me how to cross with power the scientific way that Alan could show but not teach. Freddie broke it down to activation of muscle groups. He is an awesome teacher ranked #1 in Calif around 1982 in ameteur boxing. There was no chi. It was best described as "body mechanics"." Amen to that. BTW, there is nothing more sobering than getting a video of oneself in action to expose bad body mechanics (yes, you should have a teacher who tells you, but here it is not an option and, furthermore, nothing drives the message home more than seeing oneself doing horribly wrong things that one never suspected.) Mike Koblic, Quesnel BC ------------------------------ From: Solimanus Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 15:19:46 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Qi/Ki/Prana Hello everyone, This brief discussion on the Internal aspects of martial arts kinda peaked my interests because I am primarily a Yang style tai chi chuan practitioner. The idea of developing one's internal energy is discussed in all martial arts cultures including the Filipino, Malaysian, Japanese & obviously the Chinese, especially in the Shaolin, tai chi, hsing i & bagua. Unfortunately no book is really going to provide you with any of the answers. But here a few recommendations for those interested.: Japanese; HARA: Durckehim, Karlfried. (London) George Allen & Unwin Ltd. 1962 (op) SAMADHI: Sayama, Mike. State University of New York Press. 1986 AIKIDO in Daily Life: Tohei, Koichi.Japan Publications. 1972 The Body, Cultivation and Ki-Energy: Yasou, Yuasa. State University of New York Press. 1993 Chinese: Liang Zhen Pu Eight Diagram Palm: Li Zi Ming (Compiled and Edited by Vincent Black) High View Publcations. 1993 Dachengquan: Wang Xuanjie. Hai Feng Publishing. 1994 Xing Yi Quan Xue: Sun Lu Tang. High View Publications. 1993 Tai Chi Touchstones: Wile, Douglas. SweetChi Press. 1983 Plus many volumes available on Qigong work (Taoist yoga, Astanga yoga, myscticism). Read this for more, http://www.standingpost.com/vincent.html Qi may provide the practitioner with the ability to conceal their own moves while anticipating those of your opponent, possibly to the point of psychically disabling them. The Internal arts, if we can simply classify them as such, are all based upon the idea of Intent or Yi, Mind/Intention. Your mind has delivered the blow or as an athlete, the quarterback delivers the pass to score a touchdown. This Intent manifests itself as Qi or energy thereby it becomes actualized through the physcial manifestation of throwing a punch or the football. I think it is as simple as eating & breathing. Without breath, we sieze to exist. Without Qi we sieze to breath. Of course it is much more than this and can be developed many ways. One is by just simply standing in a centering posture while focusing on the breath. This is called Standing Pole meditation. At first you will find it difficult to stand alone for a few minutes but eventually would like to extend the time period up to an hour. Good luck in finding the time in this busy world. Don't want to get way off topic but felt a need to throw my .02 cents in. If anyone is interested please feel free to contact me or comment further. Regards, Keith Cini, nyc ps. Marc "Salty", are we going to see you in March? Team NY ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 13:52:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #49 >Ki/Reiki/Pruna/Que/Chi/ Universal Energy there all the same things, I >>want to say that its nothing that mystical most shroud this all in so >>much mysticism that many cant understand the concepts and make it >something scary.. its just energy. everything is energy based you, me, >>trees, even the ground... its around us and in us Ki and the balance >>of it is what keeps you alive... A scientific connection to that would be that we are all "made" up of the same thing, just put together differently. On a molecular level that is. Understanding this may, or may not, make it easier to understand chi/energy and the relation of it with us and the universe ultimately. Do you think God ever planned us to be observing such things? Do you think God knew that the things he made were made up of atoms? If so, did he subconciously make them or did he plan them? BTW, this isn't a serious question... ===== Chad chad@fullcontacthi.com Full Contact Stickfighting Hawaii http://www.fullcontacthi.com http://www.egroups.com/group/stickfighting __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 15:52:21 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #50 *************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.