From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #51 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 26 Jan 2001 Vol 08 : Num 051 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #49 eskrima: Who me? eskrima: RE: fem-nazi-Universal energy-chad eskrima: Re: This and That eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #49 mindboxing eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #50 "Women's self-defence" eskrima: Interesting... eskrima: Self Defense Seminars eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #50 eskrima: Chi and breathing eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FGS & KVF Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 15:41:30 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #49 > I suspect we're less far apart than it may seem. Neither of us is for > shoving anything down the child's throat contrary to its nature. But if my > son's nature should be to watch TV instead of read, NO, he's going to learn > to read and learn well. If necessary I will shoot the f*****g TV. My > responsibility as a parent!. And to use a gender-based example-- to have > the option of being a provider and protector when my son becomes a man, as a > father I will guide him differently than I would guide a daughter. It may > turn out that it was unnecessary to do so, but chances are it won't be-- and > if he is unprepared, it will be to late for him to live as he was meant to. > And if blessed with a daughter, I will be teaching her to avoid bums who > can't protect and provide-- and teach her to provide for herself so she's > not at the world's mercies. I'm not saying it can't work out that she's the > principal provider, just that chances are that the man will be. As for who > is the principal protector, I sure have a hard time picturing that being > the woman. > > Anyway, I'll be a gentleman and leave last word to you. :-) > > Woof, > Crafty Dog > > ------------------------------ > I have been following this discussion with interest. I don't have any kids so I can't say how I "am" raising them, but I think I would do the same or similar to how my parents did it, esp my mom. I was raised by a woman who is > from the generation where women went to college to earn their Mrs. degrees. However, that is not what her father encouraged her to do, in fact, she went on to law school and graduated 1/4 women. My mom has always been the main > bread provider, my dad did not earn as much money and had no ego problems with that (unusual man for his generation). In my house, there were no girl or boy chores. My dad and mom cooked and cleaned depending on who was up first > or home first. I never learned about male/female roles in my family. In fact, it was a bit of a shock when dating in college to hear people talk about what was expected from each sex in a relationship or marriage. I had no > background in those types of thoughts. To be honest, had I not met and married the man I did, I stayed single as most of the men I know are still somewhat tied to their upbringing or traditional roles. My spouse and I are like > roomies. No chores are one or the other person's b/c of sex but b/c of time, location or interest. I believe that it is much better to raise children as humans and not separate them into genders. I played sports, wore jeans and > t-shirts, climbed trees and had mostly male kid friends b/c they had the same interests as I and did not worry about "girls don't do that" as many of the girls did when I was a kid (which puzzled me plenty). My parents taught me to > treat others as humans not as genders. So when I work or play, I expect to be treated as a human (student, swimmer, martial artist, worker,etc) not as a woman. I have yet to run into gender discrimination, which is partly luck > perhaps, and mostly how I react and act in life. Raising kids needn't involve gender roles, just decent human roles. Spunky _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:03:30 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Who me? A Howl etc: Keith Cini of NYC wrote: "ps. Marc "Salty", are we going to see you in March? Team NY" Ummm well I'm Marc "Crafty", but since I am scheduled to do a combination seminar-video shoot at Nick Sacoulas's school in NYC in March so I'll risk a guess that you mean me :-) So the answer is yes. Woof, Crafty PS: FWIW my take on chi, ki, (and the "Double L"): I believe in it. One of my secret training weapons is a Chinese doctor I found in the neighborhood. He's born and raised in China, his daddy was a doctor, and his Granddaddy was a doctor. Given the subtlety of this form of health/healing (how the hell can he tell when I have the farts from taking my pulse?!?) and the tremendous cross cultural gulfs between American and Chinese culture/language etc, it may well be that it is difficult for someone who is not raised in it to achieve the higher levels. Dunno. Whatever, my experience is that it works for me. Dunno how to describe it, but it works for me. ------------------------------ From: "Johnaleen" Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 19:25:27 -0500 Subject: eskrima: RE: fem-nazi-Universal energy-chad Chad Wrote:****Do you think God ever planned us to be observing such things? Do you think God knew that the things he made were made up of atoms? If so, did he subconsciously make them or did he plan them? BTW, this isn't a serious question...******* I know you say its not a serious question but..... Chad its a Very good Question... Personally i do think that god wanted that.... why because i still believe that we have choices in life and that we were never intended not to do so... so we were given both sides of the story should we say... we have 2 examples.... if we were not offered the scientific with the spiritual then we would again not face the balance of yin and yang....its up to use to grow into the path and acceptance of it... regardless of the explanations we need to validate it some have been going on about nazi fems.... i hope that i don't give the impression of one because i am far from that... honestly i believe that to teach for instance women's or street defense that it should be done by both genders prospective... why because we go back to the basic concepts of yin and yang and the mix between the male energy and then the female.... each genders perspective is totally valid its just up to us to take what is best suited for us as individuals... its what the whole bases of what i believe at least and most of you understand this concept because of the arts... one of the reasons my Sr. VP is male was because i firmly believed this and wanted to make sure that we taught from both perspectives....again it all relates to chi-que-pruna-ki-reiki- and so on..... its the balance of energy that is around us and part of us..... again nothing fancy here.... it needs not be so... now jester.... some facts for you... In 1995, 41% if the population of the USA used one or more of the alternative healing methods to either complement or substitute for traditional medical techniques. That hands-on touch modalities are used by more that 30,000 nurses in hospitals each year, and that the procedures are documented as legitimate medical techniques. That there are teams of medical doctors and nurses combining medical skills WITH hands-on and energy techniques in MOST major cities of the United States and or most of the hands on touch modules are based on Universal energy-chi-que-pruna-ki-reiki- and so on..... tell me how do you argue with that..... again the balance we now have both the scientific and the bases of Universal energy.....i have phone numbers of Medical doctors that use this kind of healing for cancer patients with documented cases of people cured..... do you want there findings? i can even send you there phone numbers... heheh years of research kids....... Ms. J....... CEO/F.A.T.E. Facilitating Awareness Through Empowerment 1-888-526-4626 FATE@f-a-t-e.org www.f-a-t-e.org ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:26:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Re: This and That PERCEPTION: Indirectly related. I saw Jester's URL " http://www.kicksandstix.com " and had a funny thought. At first I barely noticed it but thought it said kicks sand and sticks, so I went back up and read it again, and said to myself "oh, now I got it, kick-sand-sticks", before realizing another second later I was erred. Perception can make a difference. STEVE W. I'll be sure to check it out. Your link, that is. Thanks. SELF OBSERVATION >BTW, there is nothing more sobering than getting a video of >oneself in action to expose bad body mechanics (yes, you should have a >teacher who tells you, but here it is not an option and, furthermore, >nothing drives the message home more than seeing oneself doing horribly >wrong things that one never suspected.) I second that motion,Mike. We all laugh whenever we watch our first fights...(that's me getting hit in the head with the light fencing mask in the animated GIF ;) ) FMA IN MOVIES: A little more on topic here. A while back, someone posted about that movie THE ULTIMATE FIGHT starring and produced byErnie Reyes Jr. and Sr. I saw it at a small video rental place(BB still doesn't have it, and to order the tape they are asking close to 80 dollars, although they will order the DVD for 20). Anyway, before you run down to order it heres my thoughts on it: A "C" rated movie. No good acting...actually, absolutly no acting. I couldn't tell if the main guy (PINOY...that was his name, how cheesy) was acting or not, but he played a good role as a Filipino immigrant. The empty hand fight scenes sucked and borderlined between THREE NINJAS and I don't know, I can't think of another really bad movie(THREE NINJAS PART 2 and 3???). The stick work was...pretty cool, just because there aren't much movies out with real FMA...if it can be called that. All in all, the movie sucked, but it was cool enough to rent just for the stick fight scenes. IMO, the movie that Dan Inosanto starred in had better stickwork than this movie. I wish that Ernie Reyes Jr./Sr. would have portrayed the culture with alot more detail and respect than here. I felt that they had a chance to make a real movie with some real stickwork, but instead they presented a fantasy land with a fantasy gang that practiced some fantasy style of TKD and put a real Filipino with some good stick work in. I will say this for the Filipino guy, even though his stickwork was a little unrealistic in the beginning, I think it was just because it is just a movie, therefore we can't have a scene that looks like Top and Salty stalking each other. ;) The old timers and grandfathers will like the stick scenes though, I think. MOVING And on an off note-I'm moving and I don't think the phone line will be set up for another two weeks, but I will try to get on line somewhere else to check you guys out. If not, have fun, Ray, stay in Cali, and you guys...don't have the Annual Full Contact vs. not Full Contact debate without me. Take Care, ===== Chad chad@fullcontacthi.com Full Contact Stickfighting Hawaii http://www.fullcontacthi.com http://www.egroups.com/group/stickfighting __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: T2J2M2@cs.com Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 20:47:15 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #49 mindboxing It seems to me that we, on this digest, have lost sight the the original question, does the website mindboxing.com promote a legitimate martial arts website? I would respectfully request that we drop the question of whether chi exists, and start concentrating on the content of this website. In my opinion, the answer is no, it feeds on half-truths and fantasy martial arts practice. ------------------------------ From: T2J2M2@cs.com Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 21:40:45 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #50 "Women's self-defence" I would like to add a few things of advice for just about anyone interested in women's self-defence. Being a guy, I never really had to consider this topic before, I'm not a martial arts instructor, nor do I have all the answers to life's little questions. 1 For the types of sex offenders, please read Roy Hazelwood's book, THE EVIL THAT MEN DO. He was with the FBI, in the Behavior Science Unit, specializing in sex offenders. 2 Consideration must be given for the type of woman being trained, and for the environment the assault is taking place. What works in a crowded mall in the daytime may not work on a deserted road at night. The use of weapons such as mace or a handgun may become a crutch which can be taken away from you at the worst possible moment. They may not have any effect on him at all. I know of a few times working in prison where convicts have taken repeated blasts with riot-mace and where still fighting. A smaller caliber hand gun is next to worthless in confronting a man (380 APC or less is pointless, no stopping or shock value). 3 Many rapists show up for woman's self-defense training JUST TO FIND OUT what is being taught, so they can adjust their tactics. I suggest getting the ID of ALL men who show up for this training, just to cut down on such a problem. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 19:13:09 PST Subject: eskrima: Interesting... Forwarding... Ray - ----------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.thehaca.com The Historical armed combat association, is a great resource for knowledge on sword and knife fighting from a European perspective. Check out the articles,Very,Very,interesting. The one on the Spanish influence on Filipino Martial arts will interest many of you. http://www.thehaca.com/essays/influence.htm Enjoy. ------------------------------ From: TaoArt@aol.com Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 21:46:35 EST Subject: eskrima: Self Defense Seminars Chad forwarded: << >Chad I hope I do not offend you but I have some opinions on womens >self defense you might not agree on. #1 I dont like women taking a >self defense weekend seminar I think all these seminars do for one is >line the pocket of the instructor giving it and give the woman a false >sence of security!! lets face it being able to defend yourself takes >time to learn!!! you cant learn to fight in a weekend or from watching >some video. >> I disagree with the assumptions made in the above statements. I've been teaching introductory seminars for years now with very positive results. If it truly gives a sense of "false security" then why have I had so many women contact me *years* later to tell me how they successfully avoided or defended themselves in a confrontation - and some of them never even continued their training beyond our intro 3 hour course. Your friend might have found different outcomes with other courses. I make no claims for anyone's but our own. A *ton* of research went into the development of our courses. And they have proven to be effective. Perhaps the most surprising statistic is the number of women who contact us to tell us that they *avoided* or de-escalated a situation because of our course. I personally consider that to be an even higher testament. Contrary to popular belief, it does not take years of training to learn how to defend yourself. Women have been defending themselves against rape and murder since the dawn of mankind with no formal training whatsoever. What they had was the mindset: A ferocious desire to live, the ability to harness their fear, and a total lack of inhibition in their defense. They would do whatever it took to escape. I am not saying these are the only element necessary... but they have sufficed where others with significant training have failed. I have seen so called self defense courses that teach Martial Arts techniques and never address the subject of the physiological affects of epinephrine (adrenaline). Never once do they talk about how to handle tunnel vision and audio exclusion. No where in there do they mention the "Interview Process" that is utilized to some degree by almost every attacker. Our intro course only trains the students in six (yes, 6) physical techniques. We never claim to turn out "Warriors" capable of handling any situation. What we do succeed in doing, however, is getting our students to face a highly adrenalized situation and making them *act* with simple and effective techniques. How many martial arts school have Roleplaying as a regular part of their training? I'm not talking about when a man comes up and starts trash talking you. That's easy. I'm talking about the guy who seems really *nice* and very slowly starts to exert control over you until you don't realize just how much control you have given up. How about what to do when the person who is attacking you is someone you *care* about? Internal conflict can utterly dismantle all those wonderful martial arts techniques a woman learned over a period of years and carefully practiced in a nice, sterile environment. We have had women martial artists with decades of training take our course and tell us that they have never felt such overwhelming fear before. Others with various degrees in whatever style have actually *frozen* when confronted by our Padded Attackers. Some of our students go on to train more - through us or through other organizations. They will be better off for it. But those who go through our courses - even our 3 hour intro course - are *also* better for it. The proof is there. Despite what your friend may claim. BTW - with the cost of insurance, equipment, facility rental and handouts, we most *certainly* are not "lining our pockets". We cap the attendance in our classes and charge barely enough to break even. And we offer full scholarships to qualified candidates. If you or your friend would like to talk more about our programs (including references that I would be happy to forward), you can email me privately. Meghan Gardner Guard Up, Inc. www.GuardUp.com "Always carry love in your heart and a knife in your pocket." me ------------------------------ From: Powrscrol@aol.com Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 21:57:31 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #50 In a message dated 1/26/01 3:29:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Supernatural is "miraculous" :-) ... called "Ling Chi". >> Our MA practice tends to cultivate our "supernormal" potential, since most people are subnormal. But, there's a fine line between supernormal and supernatural/paranormal. If you're operating at supernormal levels, that just means you're fairly advanced; but, supernatural/paranormal can get you into trouble because you're involved with spiritual energies that you probably can't discern. You don't have to believe this, of course; but, I'm speaking from experience here. In my 41 yrs. in the Art, 1 of the things I've learned is what to stay away from. I've seen some "masters" who, because of powerlust, are actually "mastered" by certain "energies" sometimes inherent in the Art. Science doesn't understand everything; but IMHO, the more scientific approach you take, the better. Everything that seems "miraculous" isn't; some energies are deceptive. If not, then where does deception come from? There's no way you can say it isn't an "energy". 1 of the things I try to do in my book is dispell some myths. Life-force energy is a combination of several energy modes by which we all operate. The mystical, mysterious ones are simply the ones that are least understood (such as the spiritual & cosmic -- which, contrary to some popular belief, are not the same). Steve W. Empty Hands Can Do http://www.powrscrol.com/ ------------------------------ From: "BILL MCGRATH" Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 22:16:47 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Chi and breathing Here is an article on chi that appeared the Pekiti-Tirsia newsletter a few years back. I would like to compare notes with those on the digest experienced in the subject on the relationship of what is called "chi" and good breathing. While there is a lot of showmanship and magic tricks when it comes to those claiming to have "chi" my current belief is that 99% of the legitimate claims of the use of chi can be attributed to superior breathing, tendon strength, body mechanics and mindset. On a side note, the Native American tracking expert Tom Brown wrote that he believed that strength of a person's spirit was strongly related to the strength of their "wind" or endurance and so did running exercises to build up his spirit. "CHI" AND BREATHING: "Chi" is often translated as "inner strength" or "spiritual power" but the exercises to develop it are often exercises that develop either control of your breathing, good balance through leg strength or good posture. I'm told that the Chinese character for Chi could originally be translated as either "breath" or "wind" or "spirit". Most ancient languages have examples of this multiple translation of a single word. In Hebrew "Rhuach" can be translated as breath or wind or spirit. It is the Rhuach of Life that God breathed into Adam. In Greek it is Pneuma (from which we get words like pneumonia and pneumatic) also originally used for breath or wind. In Latin it is "Anima" (that which animates) also originally breath or wind or spirit. In Hawaiian the "Ha" in "Aloha" is also breath, wind ,or spirit. When I started martial arts in 1975 I would do the various "Chi" building breathing exercises and made some progress, but my progress jumped exponentially when I began running. My training program consisted of running for 1/2 hour a day six days a week. Distance was not important, time was. I found out years later that the first 20 minutes of my run was spent burning my bodies' glycogen (sugar) reserves. Only after the 20 minute mark did I begin to draw from my bodies' deep reserves(fat). Each week I would run a little faster going from 3 miles to 4 and finally 5 miles in my half hour run. After 6 weeks I noticed that all of my "Chi" building exercises came rather easily to me. I had not only more endurance but more strength as well as my body was able to work more efficiently with a better oxygen supply. I could hit harder and take a hit better (two of the classic benefits of "Chi"). (Note: I use the example of the difference when getting hit with a half inflated basketball and a hard, fully inflated basketball. Having a large volume of high pressure air in your lungs solidifies your torso so you can better take a hit and allows you to deliver a higher percentage of your power into a target during a strike with less bounceback). I made six months of progress in just 6 weeks using this running routine. Does this mean that you should skip the classic exercises? No, for the classic exercises give you other benefits besides breath control. They strengthen your legs in different stances to improve your balance and give you good posture to protect your spines' alignment (this correct alignment that is so necessary for good health and strength). Those of you who know me well know how these exercises helped me recover from a bad injury to my back and neck. Through the slow controlled movements of the Abcedario de Mano you will learn breath control and balance while you strengthen your legs, hips and back. You will feel "centered". Practicing in this manner also has a calming effect on the body; lowering your blood pressure and calming your disposition. Breathing exercises. Each movement of the Abcedario is divided into two parts. The first month of practice slowly inhale for the first part of the movement for 5 to 10 seconds. As you begin the second part of the movement exhale slowly for 5 to 10 seconds. Try to add 10 seconds of inhale and exhale per movement per month working up eventually to 60 seconds per breath. You will move at the same speed as you breath, therefore as you breath slowly you should be moving just as slowly. This trains your nervous system in the movement. Try this program for six months and you will see an improvement in your body, mind and "Chi". Visit the PTI web site at: http://www.pekiti-tirsia.com/index.html ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 19:41:58 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #51 *************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.