From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #55 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sun, 28 Jan 2001 Vol 08 : Num 055 In this issue: eskrima: Pak Victor deThouars Workshop in Santa Cruz - Feb. 3 (reminder) eskrima: Get a grip eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #54 eskrima: Re: Knife Grip eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #53 eskrima: Ummm eskrima: Yeah, the Russ eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #54 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #54 Re: eskrima: Yeah, the Russ eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier open internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 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Ray - ----------------------------------------------------------------- Greetings to All, We are pleased to announce an upcoming Silat Serak workshop: With Pak Victor deThouars Saturday, Feb. 3, 2001 9am - Noon (Session A) 2pm - 5pm (Session B) At the VDT Academy 1054A 41st Ave. Santa Cruz, CA 95062 (Take Highway 1 to 41st Ave., Capitola Exit, turn toward the ocean, pass the Capitola Mall and the Best Western, go over the railroad tracks It's in a two-tone brown building adjacent to Ocean Chevrolet, on the left.) Price will be: $35.00 per person, per session or $55.00 per person for both sessions Paul and Jenny Silva will be hosting a barbeque near by, after the event. Tjabang members are free, and we are asking a $10.00 donation from non-members. A 10% discount will apply to all those who remit funds that we receive before Feb. 1. Please indicate which session(s) you will be attending. Space is limited. RSVP ASAP! Please make checks payable to VDT Academy. Thanks, and hope to see you here! Mike Roberto VDT Academy ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:36:32 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Get a grip A Howl etc: FWIW my understanding is that the grip depends on the weapon and the situation. Sayoc Kali for example teaches many grips. And although not Filipino, so does Bando. Woof, Crafty ------------------------------ From: Georgios Christou Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:52:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #54 Mikal Keenan wrote: > > We're getting way out here ... but just for the heck > of it, the Greek "pneuma" is related the "Num" of > the Kung peoples of >Africa. Yah, yah, c'mon ... > even the Russians have acknowledged that their > ancestors were African, i.e., the human history in > Russia begins with Africans (reported last year). > The Greeks knew Ethiopia ... and Subsaharan Africa > was regularly visited by people who studied there > (Caravanserai). Don't believe me, check it out for > yourself. I know this is completely off subject but I just couldn't resist, being Greek myself :) The word "pneuma" in greek is not pronounced as in pneumatic, but actually as 'pnevma' and you pronounce both the 'p' and the 'n'. I don't see how the two words are related, and I have never heard that the Greeks came from Africa. In fact they came fron Dorian and Ionian phyla that moved from the upper regions of the Bulkans into the territory that is now called Greece. Later, George __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 13:15:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Re: Knife Grip In the knife sparring we do, I usually prefer saber grip. I have sparred with ice pick grip, but find this to be more a of a defensive game with this...probably due to the range difference. I think I prefer sabre grip, it allows me to be a little more elusive and I feel quicker thiw way. I like to attack with a knife rather than always defending. I think I may go to ice pick if the other guy was unarmed and I had to go through him as fast as possible. Re: TIME TRAVEL ...or maybe warn Eve about that snake... ===== Chad chad@fullcontacthi.com Full Contact Stickfighting Hawaii http://www.fullcontacthi.com http://www.egroups.com/group/stickfighting __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Jeff Allen" Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 15:22:34 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #53 Forwarded from Hock Hochhiem (re: Saber grip) by Jeff Allen There are faults to both the saber and reverse grip. No one grip is perfect, and a consumate edged-weapon fighter simply must learn to fight with both grips and be able to convert to either as needed. For one example, while training in combat scenarios, I have an inclination to convert over to a reverse grip when knee high over a downed training partner. But the length of the blade has a lot to do with how comfortable someone feels with certain grips in closer quarters. Saber grip stabbing and slashing has successfully killed and injured countless soldiers, criminals and citizens for thousands of years. The issue and question of applying pressure to the side of the blade may at best be only an interesting, academic debate. Hock > Yet in Hock Hochheim's Knife Fighting Encylcopedia he seems to favor this > grip, even going so far as to term it the Filipino Grip. Now, it seems to > me (and Kasper) that the Saber Grip is not really all that great for those > up-n-close interpersonal encounters... Comments? - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 14:09:07 PST Subject: eskrima: Ummm > There are faults to both the saber and reverse grip. Ummm, I think Kasper's point was wrt saber vs. hammer/heaven, not saber vs. reverse/earth grip. > ... The issue and question of applying pressure to > the side of the blade may at best be only an interesting, academic debate. Yet more ummm... I admit to using the saber grip on knives and sticks, but when I notice I'm using it I correct myself. YMMV Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: kalkiusa@netscape.net (Mikal Keenan) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 17:30:35 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Yeah, the Russ > As you say, this is in no way FMA related, but the Russ descend > from the Vikings. Yes? Yes, or so I've been told :-) > I guess you're saying humankind started > in Africa. The whole world of anthropological science says this. > Perhaps, perhaps not. See previous :-) > I suspect that is one of those pre-history things we > will never be able to know for sure, like where did > civilization begin. What evidence remains is what the anthropologists have to work from. The Russians have acknowledged that first humans in Russia were African. Check with the Russians on that one. General statement released during the year 2000. Funny, America's most accomplished and now most visible expert on Russia is an Afro-American woman (Condoleeza Rice). > Mostly likely the Near East, but given it is pre-history I suspect we'll never know. The prehistory thing is a bit of a drag. Unfortunately, until recently (and perhaps still) no one seems to want to acknowledge the civilizations which predated the settlements in the Middle East. Subsaharan Africa was "happening" ... rise and fall of nations ... before any of the stuff that the Western world acknowledges as history began. A female German researcher, expert on ancient Nubia can be quoted as ascribing the cause of this ignoring of Africa as "rahcism" (racism) :-) Like 'ey mon, where was de iron first smelted? Timbuktu. There is a lot that is known/deduced from evidence that has been ignored because it didn't fit with someone's "ethnocentric" "history". Civilizations rise and fall everywhere. Therre are many centers of American cultures lost to the telling of history due to genocide, yes? Speaking of history, how many people know that we owe the Vikings for the word "slave"? The Vikings took "slavs" to Northern Africa. Slav => "slave". __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ From: Powrscrol@aol.com Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 17:59:43 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #54 In a message dated 1/28/01 11:09:20 AM Pacific Standard Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << > most people are subnormal :-) Whoa, most people probably wouldn't wanna hear that! Maybe we should interpret this as meaning "below average" eh? We can probably assume that the writer was thinking in terms of the generally accepted characterizations of things as (use level of fitness as an example) Poor, Below Average, Average, Above Average, or Superior. >> I was referring to "potential", within "normal" boundaries. For example, the "average" person would consider brick breaking "supernormal", wouldn't you say? Steve W. Empty Hands Can Do http://www.powrscrol.com/ ------------------------------ From: Powrscrol@aol.com Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 17:59:45 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #54 In a message dated 1/28/01 11:09:20 AM Pacific Standard Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << - -Feeling- peripheral effects of these practices can be most beneficial as milestones, signs that what we are working with is real. >> That is exactly the purpose. It's only a stepping stone -- a means, not an end -- a tangible proof (which most people need) of 1 particular mode of chi (of which they probably had not been aware). It's easy to have faith in something IF you already believe in it; if not, you need some kind of proof, without which your faith will be superficial at best. The exercises help to open one's mind to the possibilities, and reveal the constituents of this particular chi mode, so that further analyses, of other modes, can be made. Again, you might have investigated before leveling criticisms. Steve W. Empty Hands Can Do http://www.powrscrol.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 15:42:49 PST Subject: Re: eskrima: Yeah, the Russ > The whole world of anthropological science says this. > > > Perhaps, perhaps not. > > See previous :-) Whatever. > What evidence remains is what the anthropologists have to work from. Until the next important find is made. > The Russia ns have acknowledged that first humans in Russia were African. Well then, it MUST be true. :) Ok. Back to FMA. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 15:51:42 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #55 *************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.