From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #56 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 29 Jan 2001 Vol 08 : Num 056 In this issue: eskrima: Buno and Arnis Seminar in Chicago eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #55 eskrima: Message-Id: eskrima: http://travel.discovery.com/dest/lpdb/euro/russ/hist.html eskrima: training eskrima: News from Tuhon Bill eskrima: Two things to say... eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #54 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #55 eskrima: Re: Chi life or death???? eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier open internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 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To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 19:13:10 EST Subject: eskrima: Buno and Arnis Seminar in Chicago Just reminder, I will be giving a Buno(Filipino Wrestling) and Garimot Arnis Seminar in Chicago this weekend, Saturday and Sunday if you need some address contact, Guro Dennis Duria at Diggs333@aol.com or contact Sydney Stein at Sydney525@aol.com, I hope to see new faces in this Seminar, and to all of you, supports my past, Seminar in Chicago. To Maja Guro Nate Defensor and student I hope to see you guys there. BTW, if you are in Chicago dont forget to visit Maja Guro Nate Class in Rizal Center, he run a class in Silat and Kali/Eskrima. He is a high caliber instructor and very knowledgeable in both arts. Thanks again, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA ------------------------------ From: "ZyXEL - Jan Pedro Tumusok" Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 01:15:38 GMT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #55 Okay, my first post on this list and I am way of the list subject, but I finally can say something sensible (sort of it). So before starting my ramblings my sincere appologies to Mr. Ray Terry for this blatant missue of his bandwith and hd space. As part norwegian and part phillipino I feel I can contribute some about the Russians and the Vikings and the word slave. I have never heard or read that the Russians are decendants of the Vikings, altough they are mentioned in the scrolls found on Iceland and then as another people ie not of viking culture. Slavisk means slavic which could be for the reason slav = slave and the vikings usually enslaved people from other places ie other villages etc. And to my knowledge the russians are of slavic heritage and not germanic as the scandinavian countries are. The norwegian word slave actually refers to the english word slave, but in old norwegian the word for slave was 'trell'. Atleast in all the viking information I read in school. Now back to the FMA for my part ;) With kind regards Jan Pedro Tumusok - ZyXEL Communications AS Mølleparken 4 - N-0459 Oslo - Norway Phone (+47) 22 80 61 80 - Fax (+47) 22 80 61 81 Did you visit www.zyxel.no today ? ------------------------------ From: rudolf@kimbel.net Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 02:23:43 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Message-Id: >Forwarded from Hock Hochhiem (re: Saber grip) by Jeff Allen >There are faults to both the saber and reverse grip. No one grip is perfect, >and a consumate edged-weapon fighter simply must learn to fight with both >grips and be able to convert to either as needed. For one example, while >training in combat scenarios, I have an inclination to convert over to a >reverse grip when knee high over a downed training partner. Sorry folks, I'm just a simple student and will probably again get flamed for this, but... In a knife fight, if you've got the time to change grip (and especially the time to decide), you've got the time to run away. Then please do so. I hate it when people tell you all the wonderful things you're gonna do, cause you won't. Your gonna die when the guy with one grip catches you switching. In one fight, you'll use one grip and after a few seconds, hopefully, you're still alive. Animal Mc Young, one of the few who seem NOT to live in Hollywood reality, says in his books (and I think he's right) that you won't have any grip in a knife fight. That means, if the sh*t hits the fan, you won't even be able to draw your knife. If you do somehow, you'll have one grip and the hope this one will work. If you hav another view of things, don't forget to tell the blond girl you love her before you kill your enemy :) Rudolf. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 17:59:02 PST Subject: eskrima: http://travel.discovery.com/dest/lpdb/euro/russ/hist.html > I have never heard or read that the Russians are decendants of the Vikings, > altough they are mentioned in the scrolls found on Iceland and then as > another people ie not of viking culture. What?!? How can you make that claim when the whole world of anthropological science says otherwise? :) Perhaps I should have said the Russian state rather than the Russ people. The founding of Novgorod in 862 by the Viking Rurik of Jutland is traditionally taken as the birth of what became the state of Russian. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 18:06:55 PST Subject: eskrima: training > Animal Mc Young, one of the few who seem NOT to live in Hollywood reality, > says in his books (and I think he's right) that you won't have any grip > in a knife fight. That means, if the sh*t hits the fan, you won't even be > able to draw your knife. I like what Mr. Animal :) said here in this very forum... The best knife grip is whatever grip you can get on your knife when the feces hits the oscillator (or words to that effect). With that in mind and given that we will react as we train, I like a training focus on both the standard hammer and standard ice-pick/earth grips. Those are the ones I'm most likely to end up with if I end up with my carry knife in my hand at all, i.e. a KISS approach. But other grips are fun to occasionally play with, too. 360 degree back spin heel kicks to the head are good to know, but I'll rely on low front or low roundhouse kicks for most situations. But YMMV... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com P.S. It is a proven fact that earth grip style knife fighting was brought to Africa by the Vikings? :) ------------------------------ From: "BILL MCGRATH" Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 02:51:56 -0500 Subject: eskrima: News from Tuhon Bill NEWEST PEKITI-TIRSIA MEMBER My wife and I would like to announce the birth of our fist child. Daniel David McGrath Born January 27th at 1:01 PM. 7 lbs. 10 oz Mother and child are doing well after 32 hours of labor. Just to show you my wife has pretty good timing, I asked her early Saturday morning when she guessed the baby would come and she said "Oh, about 1 o'clock." You can see a picture of the little guy at: http://www.pekiti-tirsia.com/pti_news-W2001.htm NEW PTI DIRECTOR: Dr. Chris Ash has been named PTI Director for the State of South Carolina. TWO NEW PEKITI-TIRSIA GUROS: Zach Whitson and Jerry McCleary passed the last of the required tests for Guro Isa (Instructor 1st Level) this past December. Dr. Ash, Guros Whitson and McCleary have over 75 years of martial arts experience between them. You can read the bios of the these men on the PTI Schools, Clubs and Contacts page: http://www.pekiti-tirsia.com/contacts.html Regards, Tuhon (and Dad) Bill McGrath Visit the PTI web site at: http://www.pekiti-tirsia.com/index.html ------------------------------ From: "SAUNDERS GIBSON" Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 4:5:50 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Two things to say... In regard to several recent subjects posted on the digest I would like to say a thing or to, not because I'm the expert, but I've been around a little. On Chi, I know several VERY competent practitioners or respective masters of the internal martial art(s), they have always freely and generously offered their knowledge of these arts to me. I, however, only recently have taken up any sort of actual practice and can not relate much from my personal experience. What i can say is that I've NO doubt that Chi exist (along with it's partners Jing and Shin - a lot like body, mind, spirt...). In practice I've experienced some utterly bizarre things with these men. Sometimes they have reduced my effectiveness without physical contact. I have never been hit as hard by anyone other than one of these practitioners of a "soft-style". It's there and it is real, though I belive that because of the nature of these arts and the culture that spawned them, there will remain a question regarding these unseen forces well into the future. Guro Nate, a respected friend and teacher of mine, may also be able to shed some light on the subject with his experience. He is of course known to the digest where I am not. Next, a brief comment on the origin of man. I would recommend a ongoing series of books publish by a gentleman by the name of Zacharia Sitchin called the Earth Chronicles. He has spent his life translating Sumerian text dated long before any other documented history. Also, consider Lloyd Pye's book Everything you Know Is Wrong. Lloyd's web-site is very interesting as well if I recall correctly. I guess the bottom line is that not being able to prove that some things are true does not make the wrong. There is of course more to this world than that which is obvious. Semper, Blue - --- blue371@earthlink.net - --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. ------------------------------ From: Bladewerkr@aol.com Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 07:19:47 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #54 Just my $ .02 worth on the sabre grip issue. If you check out a lot of the American knife fighting texts, Styers, Cassidy, etc., they usually favor a sabre grip. A lot of that has to do with blade configuration and thrusting. Most of it goes back to the days when the Bowie knife ruled as edged weapon of choice on the American frontier. With the standard heaven grip the alignment of the hand does not lend itself well to "point" the sabre does providing the blade and grip are in direct alignment. The sabre grip allows one to thrust in a straight line from guard. If you study the classical sabre designs most of them had the grip offset 15-20 degree allowing a more secure grip and correct point alignment. At one time there were schools teaching the Bowie in most major cities, my home of New Orleans at one time had over a dozen. Most of the instructors were classically trained European fencing masters so a great deal of their technique was adopted from there. One of the most notable adaptations of European sabre to the Bowie was the back cut. It is a good thing to note here that both Rezin (the true designer of the Bowie) and his more famous brother, James, were taught sabre as children. To illustrate this, next time you do thrusting pole practice, thrust with both the heaven and sabre grips. When using the heaven grip it is not the point but actually the belly of the blade that will hit if you do a straight line thrust, with the sabre, the hand is positioned behind the blade so that you actually achieve point. This also explains why, in a lot of older books, the heaven and earth grips are described in such a bad light. It is not a case of either being a "bad" grip it is simply the case of holding a tool differently depending on the intended use. If you are interested in some good background on the American Bowie in it's heyday may I suggest "Bowie Knives" by Raymond Thorpe, Paladin used to carry it, as did Smokey Mountain Knife Works. Be well, Bear ------------------------------ From: Bladewerkr@aol.com Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 07:30:17 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #55 On the "out of Africa" thread. Funny while driving to work last week there was an item on NPR that said that scientists are now leaning toward the theory that different cultures may have sprung up around the world instead of the mass migration they had espoused for some time. The problem with scientific theory is that it is just that theory and as long as scientists compete for grants there will be many theories all with their own bibliographies, and "facts." Be well, Bear ------------------------------ From: "hudginsg" Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 18:59:35 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Re: Chi life or death???? > ------------------------------ > > From: T2J2M2@cs.com > Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 20:47:15 EST > Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #49 I would respectfully request that we drop the question of whether > chi exists, and start concentrating on the content of this website. In my > opinion, the answer is no, it feeds on half-truths and fantasy martial arts > practice. What is the difference between being dead and alive??? What makes us alive? What makes us dead? I equate chi as being that life force that makes the difference between life and death. If there is no chi, there is no life. The question is not if there is chi or no chi. (life force) The question is, can people really manipulate this life force to do amazing things. Can you learn to manipulate it? Electrical impulses in the brain? Electrical impulses in the heart? Measurable brain waves? What is the difference between life and death if not some sort of life force? Why does electric shock work to bring someone back to life? (start their heart beating again). Is this not some sort of manipulation of the body's own electrical system to get it to do something. I am not taking the time to create a logical argument on chi, I am just presenting some questions, that even the doubters of the "existence of chi" will have some hard time answering. Gary H. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 7:42:38 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #56 *************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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