From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #57 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 29 Jan 2001 Vol 08 : Num 057 In this issue: eskrima: Various eskrima: congrats eskrima: Origins eskrima: Vikings and Russia(ns) eskrima: A Howl of Joy! eskrima: Re: Newest Pekiti-Tirsia member :) eskrima: Re: Vikings and Russia eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #56 eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kalkiusa@netscape.net (Mikal Keenan) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:23:41 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Various > I know this is completely off subject but I just > couldn't resist, being Greek myself :) Cheers for that ... I'm just an American mongrel :-) > The word > "pneuma" in greek is not pronounced as in pneumatic, Didn't say that it was. I speak English, and the sound of the syllable "pneum" when we pronounce it in English is the same as the sound of the Kung word "Num" ... kinda like "noom". Someone might get picky and say: "Naw main, dat ain't right ... it sound jest like 'new'." Awright, OK! > I don't see how the two words are > related, Esse es la vida ... they're both related to the concept of "air". > and I have never heard that the Greeks came > from Africa. Didn't say that they did ... but then, everybody came from Africa :-) The entire world of anthropology agrees on that. > I was referring to "potential", within "normal" boundaries.   I understood you Steve ... I can't speak for anyone else though. If heard in casual conversation, the average bear might take offense though, eh? People don't always react to what we intend to say, but rather to what they think we are saying ... and then we/they tend to prefer/act on their emotional reactions rather than say, "Do you mean [fill-in the-blank]?" > For example, the > "average" person would consider brick breaking "supernormal", wouldn't you > say? Maybe. I guess it depends on what we consider average. My comment was for the sake of general clarification. If that means that you say a little more to clarify it, then maybe that's a good thing for all of us. Thanks. > That is exactly the purpose.  It's only a stepping stone -- a means, not an > end -- a tangible proof (which most people need) of 1 particular mode of chi > (of which they probably had not been aware).  It's easy to have faith in > something IF you already believe in it; if not, you need some kind of proof, > without which your faith will be superficial at best. The essence of some of my comments is clearly the difference btwn faith/belief and certainty. Some people need and focus on signs, some don't. To totally wreck a possibly well-know quote: "If you focus on the signs, you'll miss all that Heavenly glory." :-) The essence of my comments on the "chi signs" issue is based on other aspects of human nature which can come into play. People who are introduced to things via signs can proceed on a path which gravitates towards where they've been rather than where they can go ... sorta like people who get caught up in trapping drills as though that's what the system that uses them is all about. Different strokes for different folks. > Again, you might have investigated before leveling criticisms. I've been investigating for a long time friend and leveled no criticisms. I'm nobody special, but having been trained to teach such things, I contributed some -advice- to the general body of readers here and in no way criticized -you- or what you do ... no moreso than I criticized anyone else who like myself offered their $2.00 worth of chi commentary ... hence my generic comment "You know what you know, others know what they know. ... and so it goes." "You" in that sentence is the proverbial "you" ... -every- and -any-body. Also the humorous line asking that no one get defensive. If we know something, then we know it. We have certainty, period. Then faith and belief/disbelief, criticisms or apparent criticisms are meaningless and there is nothing to defend. Example: If I am certain that consuming animal flesh is inappropriate, I simply don't do it ... what someone else believes, thinks, wants, does, etc. is irrelevant. As time progresses medical science increasingly! points out the connection btwn "meat" consumption and -many- cancers, where the meat consumption turns out to be the -most- highly-correlated factor. Do I care? Nope, it's irrelevant because certainty on the issue was developed over 3 decades ago ... not based on signs (connecting continued meat eating with disease/disease symptoms) but on certainty derived from study of anatomy, physiology, clinical nutrition, etc. ... existing, obvious evidence and advice ... I simply continue and advise anyone who wants to know based on my own humble/limited knowledge/experience. There were a number of people tossing out comments about qi/chi/ki work here. My comments/contributions were tossed out within that general forum, not directed at anyone in particular ... just sharing my own humble/limited awareness/experience on the topic. Everyone voices their opinion ... nothing to feel offended by. Everyone respected. If you felt offended in anyway that was unfortunate and not connected! to my intentions, i.e., not something that I am responsible for. Heck man, I don't care if somebody disagrees with me about anything ... I'll listen and learn. In the universe, there'll always be someone who knows more about some/everything than I ever will. Doesn't matter. So, don'nobody go gittin all defensive, nah, y'hear :-) Health, Longevity and Good Fortune, Mik __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Dale" Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:44:01 -0600 Subject: eskrima: congrats Congrats to Tuhon Bill and wife! 32 hours? Where is that birthing chi when you need it? Dale ------------------------------ From: kalkiusa@netscape.net (Mikal Keenan) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:53:49 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Origins > different cultures may have sprung up around the world instead of > the mass migration they had espoused for some time Sure, different cultures "sprang up" after humans spread and differentiated. It's just like the S. African culture which claims to be Jewish ... originally thought laughable, but then Western science traced the genes. They're kin to all Cohens and Kohns via mapping of the Y chromosome which passes from father to son almost intact. Migration: Supposedly the most recent understanding includes multiple migrations, just like there were probably multiple migrations across the Bering Straits into North America from Asia. In addition to migration (Africa) there is supposedly evidence of returns, i.e., migrations as far North as Tibet, differentiation, then returns to (Northern) Africa. Truth stranger than fiction, eh? Get a real charge: Ask Guro Inosanto about the origins of the Filipinos and other Malay and Polynesian peoples. Very informative. Something that really raised my brow during studies of genetics: the "average" "Afro-American" has 50% Caucasian ancestry. Ray, I know this ain't FMA, but what's the connection btwn the Russ and the Vikings? Weren't the Russ Vikings? As Rick Faye once said: "The Vikings went everywhere." :-) My favorite film scene: the fight btwn the big Viking and the little Viking in The 13th Warrior. A good power vs evade/counterattack example. Be well, Mik __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ From: "ZyXEL - Jan Pedro Tumusok" Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:00:11 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Vikings and Russia(ns) > > From: Ray Terry > Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 17:59:02 PST > Subject: eskrima: > http://travel.discovery.com/dest/lpdb/euro/russ/hist.html > > > I have never heard or read that the Russians are > decendants of the Vikings, > > altough they are mentioned in the scrolls found on > Iceland and then as > > another people ie not of viking culture. > > What?!? How can you make that claim when the whole > world of anthropological > science says otherwise? :) > Well what do they know? ;) No, I based my answer on what I learnt in school, Norways viking heritage is dealt with quite thorughly in both history classes and norwegian (we even read some old viking scripts that looks more like iclandic than norwegian to me). And to my knowledge they never mentioned anything about the vikings being the fathers of the russian state either. But I cant really argue with people that study history for a living, so I belive I stand corrected. ;) There is a norwegian scientist called Thor Heyerhdal (the same guy that sailed across the pacific on a raft) that has written books about the travels of vikings and whom they traded with etc. I do not know if they have been translated to english, if anybody is interested, just send me a private email (jpt@zyxel.no) and I can check it out. > Perhaps I should have said the Russian state rather > than the Russ people. The > founding of Novgorod in 862 by the Viking Rurik of > Jutland is traditionally > taken as the birth of what became the state of Russian. > Then I might not have made the comments I made, about being the russians being the decendets atleast ;) - -- With kind regards Jan Pedro Tumusok - ZyXEL Communications AS Mølleparken 4 - N-0459 Oslo - Norway Phone (+47) 22 80 61 80 - Fax (+47) 22 80 61 81 Did you visit www.zyxel.no today ? ------------------------------ From: AWSolis@aol.com Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:57:40 EST Subject: eskrima: A Howl of Joy! Great News! Congrats to Tuhon and wife! Alvis W. Solis Hound Dog! ------------------------------ From: "Roaring Girl" Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:28:16 -0330 Subject: eskrima: Re: Newest Pekiti-Tirsia member :) Congratulations Tuhon Bill and wife! Wishing you great happiness, and hoping that young Daniel doesn't keep you up too late at night :) jocelyne - Roaring Girl ------------------------------ From: "Ingmund Forberg" Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 19:22:14 Subject: eskrima: Re: Vikings and Russia What the Vikings did was basically just collecting the many small kingdoms into one. Yes, many Russians descend from these Vikings but there were hardly enough Scandinavians in the area to justify the statement that the Russians in general descend from the Vikings. The old Scandinavian word for slave is, as Mr. Tumusok said, trell. Take care, IF _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Todd Ellner Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:31:20 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #56 rudolf writes: >> Forwarded from Hock Hochhiem (re: Saber grip) by Jeff Allen > >> There are faults to both the saber and reverse grip. No one grip is perfect, >> and a consumate edged-weapon fighter simply must learn to fight with both >> grips and be able to convert to either as needed. For one example, while >> training in combat scenarios, I have an inclination to convert over to a >> reverse grip when knee high over a downed training partner. > > Sorry folks, I'm just a simple student and will probably again get flamed for > this, but... In a knife fight, if you've got the time to change grip (and > especially the time to decide), you've got the time to run away. Then please > do so. > > I hate it when people tell you all the wonderful things you're gonna > do, cause you won't. Your gonna die when the guy with one grip catches > you switching. My first Silat teacher, Brandt Bollers, says much the same thing. Brandt is another one of those rare people who lives in the real world, not the movies. This is pretty much a direct quote: "I don't care how you hold the knife. Just hold on tight and don't let go! If you do that flipping around s**t someone is going to take that knife and kick it up your a**." Todd ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:26:58 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #57 *************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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