From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #58 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 29 Jan 2001 Vol 08 : Num 058 In this issue: eskrima: Molecular Biology and Evolution: "Out of Africa" eskrima: Vikings eskrima: Muck Fichigan eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #56 eskrima: Vikings, Russ and Slav eskrima: Congrats eskrima: Congratulations !!! eskrima: Knife Grip eskrima: Congratulation on your new Kalista, eskrima: Re: Am at the right place? Re: eskrima: Re: Am at the right place? eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kalkiusa@netscape.net (Mikal Keenan) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:12:10 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Molecular Biology and Evolution: "Out of Africa" I promise, not another word :-) BIG BANG THEORY OF HUMAN EVOLUTION SUPPORTED Two million years ago, somewhere in Africa, a small group of individuals became separated from other australopithecines. This population bottleneck led to a series of sudden interrelated changes -- in body size, brain size, skeletal proportions and behavior -- that jump-started the evolution of our species. That's the conclusion of a University of Michigan study published in the journal of Molecular Biology and Evolution that analyzes a broad range of genetic, fossil and archeological evidence to decipher the most likely scenario for the start of human evolution. That analysis, by researchers at the University of Michigan Department of Anthropology, is the first to examine the full spectrum of paleontological, archeological and genetic evidence available, each reflecting a different part of the puzzle of human origins. By estimating the ranges of error in the different types of evidence, the researchers were able to narrow down the common, overlapping areas of agreement to construct an explanation that disproves some high-profile recent theories and supports one of the oldest modern versions of the origin of homo sapiens. "All the available evidence supports an 'Out of Africa' theory, that humans first evolved in Africa about two million years ago, then spread to other regions of the world," says John Hawks, first author of the paper and now an assistant professor of anthropology at the University of Utah. "This original population lived before humans colonized regions outside of Africa. In fact, it was the act of becoming human that made these colonizations possible." Examining the anatomical evidence, the authors, including UM anthropologist Milford Wolpoff, conclude that a "genetic revolution" took place in a small group isolated from other australopithecines. "The earliest H. Sapiens remains differ significantly from australopithecines in both size and anatomical details," notes Wolpoff. "Insofar as we can tell, these changes were sudden and not gradual." According to the researchers, the available genetic data do not disprove a simple model of exponential population growth following a bottleneck two million years ago and extending through the Pleistocene Epoch, when ice covered much of North America and Europe. But they are incompatible with a more recent population-size bottleneck. "Many details of subsequent human evolution over the period of the ice ages remain unclear, but one certain finding from both anthropological and genetic data is that there was no later time when the size of the human species became small again," says Hawks. "So the 'Eve theory' of modern human origins, which states that modern human populations very recently arose as a new African species that replaced all other indigenous peoples such as Neanderthals, can be put to rest." Co-authors of the study with Hawks and Wolpoff are Keith Hunley, UM Department of Anthropology, and Sang-Hee Lee, Department of Biosystems Science, Graduate University for Advanced Studies, Hayama, Kanagawa, Japan. __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ray Langley Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:23:25 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Vikings Hmmmmm.... I thought that everyone knew that the Vikings are from Minnesota.... - -- Ray Langley http://pub48.ezboard.com/bcaneknifestick ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:06:59 PST Subject: eskrima: Muck Fichigan > That's the conclusion of a University of Michigan study... Being from Ohio and also being a grad of The Ohio State University, I believe nothing good or truthful could have come from that 'school up north'... :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Bladewerkr@aol.com Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:03:24 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #56 Greetings all, the thread on the sabre grip seems to have branched off into 2 directions. The post I sent about the sabre grip and the Bowie was from a historical viewpoint. The Bowie was taught as a form of dueling and as such had rules, etc., with the books that came out around W.W.II, most of the "knife fighting" was still based on dueling, where you and your opponent square off and go for it. There is a vast difference between that and an ambush which is what a street knife fight almost always is. The rules and the stakes are much different. Contrary to Hollywood most duels were fought to first blood, when that flowed honor was satisfied. So when we start talking different grips and their advantages vs. the grip you will use in a street confrontation we are talking apples and oranges. For training I practice all of them including sabre based Bowie knife moves. I also do western reenactment shooting, but I don't confuse that with combat handgunning. And yes I agree with Animal that getting any grip in a real time situation is an unlikely thing, just like drawing on someone that has a firearm pointed at you. Action is faster than reaction so you have to deal with the attack then hopefully index your weapon. Be well, Bear ------------------------------ From: kalkiusa@netscape.net (Mikal Keenan) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:26:12 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Vikings, Russ and Slav Found this at http://www.times.spb.ru/archive/lifestyl/141/trip.html. There's more there for the curious ... A Trip Down the Viking Road to Russia's Harsh Past By Yevgenia Borisova As Russia looks with trepidation towards the uncertain future, St. Petersburg's State Hermitage Museum has opened a window on the region's distant and often brutally primitive past. Three rooms in the bottom level of the Hermitage have been filled with the belongings of the tribes that lived in Northwestern Russia from the stone and iron periods to the beginning of the 16th century. Pottery shards and fragments plus the occasional almost whole piece, arrow heads, ancient knives and other hunting and fishing implements used by the Baltic, Slav and Viking tribes who once inhabited the area. Splashes of color from necklaces of brightly tinted stones and crystals and intricately worked stone, metal and wood sing with a vibrant zest for beauty beyond the day-to-day drudgery of subsistence living. Likewise, a 1,000-year-old-ski, a shrivelled but unmistakeably fashionable woman's shoe, and a piece from an ornate comb offer other touchstones to the multi-faceted texture of a barely-remembered culture. Old Ladoga -- mentioned as one of the 10 largest Russian towns in the ancient Russian Primary Chronicle of 862 -- lay on the old "Vikings Road," the main trade route linking Scandinavia with the Middle East and with eastern Europe . . . this still-visible thoroughfare, which the narrator calls "Probably the most ancient road in the world." The road is believed to still run along the same route through the Ladoga region as it did 1,000 years ago, though the once-busy highway is hardly-used and a mere 1,000 people currently live along it. Researchers have dug down about 5 meters (17 feet) through different cultural layers along this road and found Arab silver coins and decorations made of carnelian (a reddish variety of chalcedony) in addition to large numbers of Scandinavian artifacts. Many nations shared this region in ancient times -- local Slav and Baltic tribes, Scandinavians, Finns and Arabs. Scandinavians lived in Ladoga from its foundation as warriors, merchants and craftsmen, and many Scandinavian items are displayed at the exhibition -- decorations, combs, weapons. Old Ladoga, now a small town about 100 kilometers (62 miles) east of St. Petersburg, marked Russia's northern border for approximately 10 centuries. __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:48:02 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Congrats To Bill: A Howl of Congratulations to Bill McGrath on behalf of the Dog Brothers, Dog Brothers Martial Arts and the Denny family. WOOF! Crafty ------------------------------ From: "william schultz" Date: 29 Jan 2001 15:41:08 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Congratulations !!! Congratulations Tuhon McGrath!! I am happy to hear that you, your wife, and new child are happy and safe (and very tired). :-) William Schultz PCMA/MCAC ------------------------------ From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 18:43:09 EST Subject: eskrima: Knife Grip I know this is drive your master crazy, this knife grip, sword grip, I know I do. Grip is really not much an issue in knife fighting. Its common sense what is comportable grip for you, before you fights you must know what is your best suitable to your natural, movements. I dont really give much comments on knife, because there so much knife fighting Expert in this list, I dont want to over ride them. When I was in the Philippines as a Farmer, Fisherman, and wood carver, I am alway company with knife and bolo. In the Rice field, I always have "Karit" (Sickle) and the "Itak"(Bolo blade) is hanging on my waist, after the farm work I would sat on my small wood Carving table and I am in front almost hundreds of razor sharped chisel tha we used for wood carving. Now I am here in US as Proffesional Chef, I also have a variety of knife that I used to do job succesfully (paring knife, boning knife, French knife, bread knife, Beef Slicer, etc. I used them in different grip too. But no matter what the job is, the common grip on this blades is the Hammer and Ice Pick grip. Well, In regards of combat, we must train in both grip continuesly, so we wont favor one grip to the other. But if you do favor one to another, stick with it, dont play the changing grip. It migh not be perfect but if work on your advantage. During comfrontaion, you have to work from what available on that moments, then change the grip or adjust your grip to the most comportable ones and effective to your techniques application. I bet a lot of you could fight aginst the knife fighters, using pin, or just a piece of toothpick. Its is sort of the same theory, work for what you have, and I will guarantee you have a lot of techniques in mind to do this and the isea is to win the fights no matter what, no matter what it cause. I love evertime I see that the so called masters making plan how to kill his opponnent, this is clever but sometime its lead to stupidness, setting up one trap, later he is the one being trap. Anyway I just want to poit it out, its really not matter, what grip you like to use in knife fight or bolo. As long as you can apply the techniques effectively and keep out yourself in danger. << >> There are faults to both the saber and reverse grip. No one grip is perfect, >> and a consumate edged-weapon fighter simply must learn to fight with both >> grips and be able to convert to either as needed. For one example, while >> training in combat scenarios, I have an inclination to convert over to a >> reverse grip when knee high over a downed training partner. > >> Well, its just my two cent on this thread, Gumagalang/ with respect Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Laguna Arnis Federation International PAETE (P-aaralan ng A-rnis E-stokada at T-radisyunal E-skrima) US Harima Buno Federetion Hilot Research Center USA ------------------------------ From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 18:47:04 EST Subject: eskrima: Congratulation on your new Kalista, Tuhon Bill, On behalf of Garimot Family Congratulation for the born of a new Kalista, may the GOD bless him and your family. Lets celebrates, for the new born future fighter. Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet ------------------------------ From: Jivita@aol.com Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 20:27:30 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Am at the right place? Interesting anecdotes aside, what happend to the "ESKRIMA" in E-D? Jim. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 18:38:47 PST Subject: Re: eskrima: Re: Am at the right place? > Interesting anecdotes aside, what happend to the "ESKRIMA" in E-D? But Eskrima was first created in Africa, didn't you know... :) Ok, folks. Unless you have a note from your mother, back to FMA... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 19:13:23 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #58 *************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.