From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #62 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 31 Jan 2001 Vol 08 : Num 062 In this issue: eskrima: "Bring in the Lefty" eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #61 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #61 eskrima: balintawak eskrima: Re: Kino Mutai eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #60 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #60 eskrima: Marc Denny and Giorgio's posts eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CoryHanosh@astec.com Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:38:00 -0800 Subject: eskrima: "Bring in the Lefty" << I'm left handed but in my Kali class we used the right hand so now I'm playing catch-up with the left during my solo training. That leaves me looking for how best to transition to two sticks. Any ideas?> > Thanks and train well. > > Bryan Creel >> Well put Kim. As a fellow "Lefty" and having also learned from Suro Mike Inay, and the instructors under him, I had the opportunity to learn using my dominant hand. Whether the instructors taught me in their left hand or not, it was definitely a worthwhile experience. In fact, the most learning came when they would simply show the technique via the right hand and make me translate it to the left. This is where I think the benefit from being Southpaw comes in. You cannot simply imitate the movements, you must break them down mentally and then physically do them. This along with the fact that we mainly practice against the right handed opponents give us an advantage, at least early on in the training. Best Regards, Cory Hanosh Lahong Guro Inayan Systems International ------------------------------ From: SolAndes@aol.com Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:03:42 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #61 Hi, My $0.02 on biting and Phil Dunlap's bando. I've been studying with Phil for almost 2 years and have trained biting with him. If you have his seminar vid on biting techniques you'll see that there's a definate art form behind it and it deserves to be trained just like any other technique (btw, i'm the filipino kid in the grey shirt that phil used as a demo partner/chew toy, i had phil's dental print on my arms legs and torso for weeks :-) Biting can be used as both a finishing technique AND as a setup for other techniques like takedowns and submissions. By no means is it a magic pill or a substitute for training and knowledge. The hardest part about learning biting was getting over the disgust of actually chomping down on another person and trying to rip off flesh. The second part was learning to deal with getting bit, staying calm, pushing the affected body part into the bite, and resisting the urge to pull away from the bite. Like everything else, you get better at this with practice. Both these areas of training require a great deal of trust in your training partner and I trust Phil a great deal as he is more than an instructor he is a caring and sincere friend to me. Biting is considered in every grappling move. For example when doing a juji-gatame the foot is pulled back into the ass so the guy's head is held in place. When holding someone in guard you underhook an arm and push the guy's face away with your hand to control his mouth and set yourself up for a nice neck bite. As for the HIV, legal stuff, etc. I completely agree that it is a risk. But if a bite means the difference between dying today or getting AIDS and dying five years from now, i'll take the five years and drop as much acid as I possibly can :-) Ken ------------------------------ From: T2J2M2@cs.com Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:45:54 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #61 Apparently a few people might have misunderstood my stay out of prison plan, my stay out of civil court plan, my avoid a long, lingering, and painful DEATH from a bloodborn pathogen plan. My plan is to avoid biting and eye gauging as much as possible. As I understand it, bystanders do not forgive someone who punches another man in the face. You take a chunk of their flesh out of their face, what the hell do you think a prosecutor is going to think? You just bumped a misdemeanor into a felony. And if you have some assets, well golly, you think that you won't be paying for reconstructive surgery? Face it, juries are full of people who could NOT avoid jury duty. They get paid $15 a day. You come in, after permanently disfiguring a person in a fight, conflicting stories as to who did what, and the jury people are losing $85 a day for this. They are having fun feeding a family on that $15. And they generally vote for the underdog, the guy you just bit. Generally speaking, he who does the most damage loses in court. I know of at least 3 people who did time in prison for bar fights. They are not bad people, they in the heat of the moment, stepped over the line. They didn't stop when they should have. They didn't bite anyone. In my opinion, biting someone is a very prejudicial move. Of course, if you bite in front of an audience, you just might make a 1 on 1 into a 10 on 1. Everyone likes stomping on a cheater. Come to think of it, the one lady who bit the other lady in the Dog Brother's fight wasn't too popular that day. And your potentially dragging that into court. You should also remember that you have no friends in prison. The man who got bit might. As for the bloodborn diseases, Hep-C is fatal. There is no cure except a liver transplant. AIDS has no cure either. Both are painful ways to die. A T-shirt will not stop the spread of any known disease. I have had a week of bloodborn and airborne pathogens training. I have dealt with mutilators who slice themselves open for cigarettes. You do not want any blood on you at all. You wear gloves while escorting an inmate in handcuffs, and he is not bleeding. And you have no idea what your opponent has been doing lately. A T-shirt is not a barrier for diseases, anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool. That's why meat is cooked. Apparently a few people have forgotten what undercooked meat did out west at the Jack-in-the-box. ------------------------------ From: "knopf_2000" Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 02:03:34 +0100 Subject: eskrima: balintawak Hi eskrimadors, i read the articels about Atillo and his seminars. I live in germany and i am very proud to learn balintawak from a real grandmaster that learned his skills und a ,aster that showed even R. Presas what is Balintawak. My master Toni Veeck learned from Arnulfo Mongcal (a long time student of Venancio Bacon), he is the cardinal student and owner of the whole system. We are using a special close quarter style that is unique in the world of arnis. It has bring out european and world champions and the main thing it is still improving, cause of the further development of the students and instructor. I am sure that one day, a lot of people will now our art and will respect it. love and more than peace Thorsten check our homepage www.NECOPA.de _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: szorn@webtv.net (S ZORN) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:09:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: eskrima: Re: Kino Mutai Biting is a last ditch yet effective form of combat. I agree that we don't need to spend hours a day training to bite, however, like most martial arts techniques it needs to be studied and trained to a degree to be effective on the street. People like to point out that there are tons of blood born pathogens that we are likely to contract during a bite attack but the fact is that when we are dealing with a life-or-death situation this shouldn't even be a factor. Let me ask you a question, if you are involved in a life-or-death situation do you just give up and let the attacker kill you right there on the spot or do you fight back with EVERY viscious technique you have in your arsenal? Again, I am talking about life-or-death. Personally, I choose to fight back with everything I have including my teeth. Yes, there is a chance I could get a disease from such a technique but it also means that I get to live a little longer (maybe long enough to get cured). I guess most people need to be placed in such situations before they understand how precious even a few extra days can be. I also agree that defending ourselves in any form could land us in jail, this includes using stick and knives. These are the chances most of us take when we train in combat arts. I should point out that we could still end up in jail even if we choose not to defend ourselves. The point is , why train in self defense arts if we are worried that we may have to face a judge for using these skills we try so hard to learn? To use a famous quote- "It's better yo be tried by 12 than carried by 6". Steve ------------------------------ From: GHSoto@aol.com Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:12:12 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #60 Re: Transition from single to double sticks. I was first introduced to FMA in 1983 by students of Rene Latosa, then worked with Master Anthony Davis (where I had the great good fortune to do a seminar with Angel Cabales), and then in the Villabrille-Largusa system of Kali. As I remember we worked with both single and double sticks from the very beginning. Sinawalis are a very powerful way to bring students into familiarity using double sticks. As was mentioned in a previous post, going slow is important. I always like to think that it gives me the opportunity to practice developing my patience. It can be quite frustrating, for both student and teacher alike, because it is not easy. This is true for people new to martial arts, as well as, martial artists new to FMA. Now when I work with new students I include exercises with both single and double sticks (Sinawalis), and Espada y Daga. I realize many feel that it could be an overload and people need to learn one thing at a time. That is certainly a perspective and consideration. But there are others. My view comes from my experience as a student and teacher, as well as, something I read along time ago around teaching techniques. It was an article about John Wooden, the legendary UCLA basketball coach. He said he kept players in drills for only 5 to 7 minutes and then change to something different. He went on to talk about the different ways we learn. Keeping to short and intense exercises and then moving to something different, keeps people focused and attentive and exposes more parts of the body/mind to the learning activity. It also serves to keep people actively present and attentive. Eventually the accumulation of information begins to translate to ability and flexibility. It is a bit like a child raised in a house where two languages are spoken. Often they will begin to speak later than their counterparts raised in a mono language household. But shortly thereafter they are talking in two languages and usually are better adapted to learn the third and any more there after. I guess I would want to emphasize the importance of patience to this idea. Teach peace GHSoto ------------------------------ From: "hudginsg" Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:50:36 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #60 > From: Paul > Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:20:33 -0800 > Subject: eskrima: Animal's post > > >Marc wrote:I cannot tell you how many times I have heard these people > negate or ignore serious danger signs about the people they "party" with. > They stick their head in the lion's mouth and then whine when they get bit. > I can only speculate that the motivation for this behavior is that they > themselves are having fun playing "adult and relishing the joys of > indulging forbidden fruit. (Although it is often glossed over, ever wonder > about the drug/alcohol stats of 90% in rapes? Especially pertaining to > underage victims? > > I know that you seek to bring awareness to this issue, your website is a > fantastic source. This post is a bit disturbing. Carried to its illogical > extreme this idea would lend vindication to those who extrapolate consent > from lack of refusal. I understand that women often put themselves in > dangerous situations. Lack of awareness, however, should never be punished > with rape. This type of mentality is what causes the shame to be placed on > victims of sexual assault and may be why so many rapes go unreported. > When children are molested they will often blame themselves. The affection > that may have preceeded the assault may have been pleasant. So, if the > child enjoyed the hug or the candy, or whatever bait the assailant used, > they will often feel that they contributed to the incident. A drunk woman, > a teenager under the influence of rophynol and a child have one thing in > common, a diminished capacity to make an informed decision. The childs > welfare deserves protection by virtue of their innocence, as does the > stupid girl's who partied with the wrong people. If someone victimizes your > child by luring them into a car with a picture of a lost puppy, the last > thing they need to hear at the hospital is, "See, I told you so." > > Martial Arts resource Eugene, Oregon > http://www.fighting.org > Lay off Marc. He gave his opinion which is what I agree with. We are talking about training women, not defending the attackers. Marc said something to the effect that, a woman should be able to walk into a biker bar completely naked and no one there would have the "right" to mess with her, but we live in a real world. If a naked lady in biker bar does not believe that her bottom and nipples are going to get pinched, she is sadly mistaken. This is not political correctness, it is real life. While a victim should not be made to feel that it is there fault that they were attacked, because of the way they were dressed, or had a little too much to drink, they on the other hand should be "aware" of their surroundings and not put themselves in harm's way. I would never tell someone after the rape that they put their selves in such a possition that they should have known what was going to happen and therefore it was their fault, but I would spend time training them to avoid those situations and to think before they put themselves in that situation. ------------------------------ From: Paul Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:40:39 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Marc Denny and Giorgio's posts Crafty, Animal used the term awareness and eluded to it when describing a teenaged girl who "thinks she can take care of herself"-- who ends up putting herself into a situation where she can be successfully raped, who is *gasp*successfully assaulted... You may term this type of behavior idiocy but is it not rather innocence. My point is simply that this naivete deserves no punishment or ridicule. And, you are quite correct in your estimation of my silliness and simplicity. I simply love people and silly as it may be this issue brings tears to my eyes. I'm done... Paul Hopkins Martial Arts resource Eugene, Oregon http://www.fighting.org ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:32:23 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #62 *************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.