From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #66 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 2 Feb 2001 Vol 08 : Num 066 In this issue: eskrima: Bite Training eskrima: one more bit eskrima: Re: Left and Right eskrima: RE: Kino Mutai eskrima: lion's mouth eskrima: Estoka Parada eskrima: Leads eskrima: RP warning eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kalkiusa@netscape.net (Mikal Keenan) Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 09:40:42 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Bite Training > the center would remain > essentially raw and training would be just about the same. > Plus, you could eat it when you were finished! Seems to me that might create one heck of an association btwn training to bite and well, you get the drift? Yow! __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ From: Patrick Davies Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 14:39:22 -0000 Subject: eskrima: one more bit From: Todd Ellner It seems a little strange to have to tell people how to bite. Most of us do it dozens of times every day. It's not that difficult. Where isn't rocket science either. If it's soft enough to sink your teeth into it's soft enough to sink your teeth into. Hey you only need to stick the knife in, or hit them with a stick But the art is more complex when you look at it isnt it? Putting biting in to the equation during a ground work session is just as relevant as putting a dagger in to it. It all helps creating the bigger picture. The distraction is the uncooked meat. Hell! cook it or don't use meat. Simple. Just don't lose the point of the discussion. A guy I worked with on an oil rig was a biter. He didn't look much but hed taken a few peoples ears off. Just ran up and hugged them and bit the ear. Sometimes ran up from the back. A colleague had his ear bit off in a fight on the door. They found the ear and it was sewn onto his stomach to keepit alive the story went. Of course its not likely to happen if you have hit them twenty odd times and then taken them down with force. Or might it? Pat "the chew" Davies ------------------------------ From: "Richard Killick" Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 15:31:34 -0000 Subject: eskrima: Re: Left and Right Rape..................only kidding Ray Just a note about training both sides, I used to only give this lip service until I developed some pain after every training session in my upper back. I went to see my osteopath and he felt that I had over developed one side, apparently it does not take two much time to develop this kind of problem and its also common in tennis etc. I went to a Crafty Dog seminar and he was teaching some staff exercise's which you train on both sides. This plus retraining the basics on the left side has taken care of the problem. With regards to biting as most people agree its a last resort. If you do bite you will either shut your opponent down (he gives up) or give him a jump start. The other day whilst stick fighting I got someone in side control and was doing ok controlling him. I jabbed my stick into his ribs to clear the way for the fang choke. It was the first time someone had done that to him and the resulting bump/oupper nearly turned me in to a one man moon shot. My bad ground skills/lack of patience/panic I know but I should have shut him down rather than give him a wake up punio in the ribs. Psychologically it must be hard to get over someone biting a bit of you. On a happy note, I just managed to catch two workshops with Sifu Burton Richardson. I had a great time and Burton showed some great drills for clinch work with or without a stick plus some ranging drills to teach students about range control, footwork and snaky stick etc. We also did a simple knife drill which had every body sweating. I don't currently use soft sticks as part of my training but I think I will start to incorporate them. The only dodgy point came when one of my students who was on his first seminar, realised that not everyone fights full contact with fencing masks. We had managed to avoid telling him, due to the constant search for new sparring partners. Excellent time all round. Regards Richard Killick. ------------------------------ From: Mike Casto Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 09:24:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: RE: Kino Mutai LOL ... good points. However, a couple of things to consider. I've not read the article, but here's my take on Kino Mutai. As I've learned it, it's not just biting ... it's pinching in general (whether with the teeth, fingers, toes, palms, etc.) You're absolutely right ... there's not much to learn about it. The concept is like the infamous "titty twister." You get a little skin, pinch, and twist. The way I've learned it, it's not a fight ender. It's an attention getter. If you're about to be choked out and you grab a little skin on the inside of their thigh (for instance) and pinch hard and twist, there's a decent chance that they'll relax the choke some or pause long enough for you to effect a counter. "Training" it is just so it can be called upon quickly ... it usually has to be used *before* a lock gets set so it has to come out quickly. Another thing to consider is that an actual bite may not be necessary. Most people have a natural aversion to getting bitten. Therefore, if you move with full intention of biting them, they will often move in a way to avoid being bitten ... which may provide an opening for escape or counter or whatever. Are these set in stone? No ... they're just tools like any other. They should be used when applicable to the level that is appropriate. If they don't work ... flow to something else (that's what the FMA are so remarkably known for, right? :-) Just my 2 cents based on what I've been taught, take it for what it's worth :-) Mike __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Dale" Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:35:38 -0500 Subject: eskrima: lion's mouth <> That is tragic, but I understand it is also not good form to go there and yell, "Hey, anybody got change for a 100?" Another safety tip from your old uncle Dale. - --- See you in the sticks, Dale www.kalieskrima.com ------------------------------ From: "TLS" Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 10:56:58 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Estoka Parada Does anyone on the list know of some place I could find descriptions of the 12 Estoka Parada positions taught in Villabrille-Largusa Kali. Thanks for your help. Todd ------------------------------ From: "mcferreng001" Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 08:11:04 -1000 Subject: eskrima: Leads <> For years in the JKD/FMA community I was always taught to train both side or even train you weak side first and that will train you other side. Last year I moved to Northern Japan of awhile and met a Wing Chug instructor who I felt was pretty good, so I trained with him for 6 months. His belief was that on one side you do what your comfortable with. and on the other side you can do something different.. To me this was what I was looking for and use it today. Their are allot of hits, take downs etc.. that I like to do from a right lead, If for some reason I have to fight left lead, my whole fighting style changes and I will favor different hits, enters, take downs. While this has worked vary good " for me" with my stand up fighting, it has been a problem with grappling. " For me" I need to train both side on the ground, I have missed to many good submissions from my other side because I don't train on that side.... anyway the choose is yours :) ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 11:16:07 PST Subject: eskrima: RP warning The Philippines - Public Announcement February 1, 2001 The Philippine government has issued a level three alert for the area around Mayon Volcano in Albay Province. This alert level reflects more frequent quakes and tremors and other geological unrest, and that eruption is possible within days to weeks. Philippine government officials have advised residents within the permanent six-kilometer-radius danger zone to resettle to safer areas. The U.S. Embassy in Manila reminds American citizens that the Philippine government has issued a bulletin reminding residents and travelers to stay away from the danger zone around the volcano and to avoid gullies and rivers that might channel dangerous volcanic flows to downstream areas. Although authorities are closely monitoring the volcano's status, volcanic events are difficult to predict. Therefore, the U.S. Embassy urges all Americans contemplating travel to the vicinity of Mayon Volcano to carefully evaluate the potential danger of such travel. Gullies radiating out from Mayon can easily serve as conduits for loose volcanic debris that may travel at high speeds for significant distances beyond the volcano's base. Americans in the area are urged to strictly observe any Philippine government restrictions on travel into the permanent danger zone, and to pay close attention to daily status reports issued by the Philippine Institute of Volcanology and Seismology. American citizens are also encouraged to inform the U.S. Embassy of any travel plans in the area. The U.S. Embassy is located at 1201 Roxas Boulevard, Manila City, telephone (63-2) 523-1001, fax (63-2) 522-3242. The Embassy's web site is http://www.usembassy.state.gov/posts/rp1/wwwhmain.html. The Department of State also encourages American citizens considering travel to the Philippines to review the general information available in the State Department's Consular Information Sheet, available on the Internet at the Embassy's web site or on the Bureau of Consular Affairs' home page at http://travel.state.gov. This Public Announcement expires on May 1, 2001. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 11:23:29 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #66 *************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.