From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #79 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sun, 11 Feb 2001 Vol 08 : Num 079 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #78 eskrima: Re: Kamagong and Bahi Sticks eskrima: Gyi eskrima: Dr. Gyi vs. "?" eskrima: Dr. Gyi eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #78 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #78 eskrima: The Grandfathers Speak eskrima: Krav Maga, Line of Fire eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: butch@epix.net Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 20:19:47 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #78 Hi All, My friend and I recently viewed a video tape by the Dog Brothers which matched Sinawali against all other weapons to see how things would turn out. Anyway, the Sinawali guy defeated all weapons fairly easy except the guy with the Samurai Sword. It appears that the Samurai Sword is a good weapon. Why is this so? Why such a hard weapon to defeat. Why did it impress the Sinawali guy so much? Butch ------------------------------ From: Todd Ellner Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 17:27:06 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Kamagong and Bahi Sticks > Does anyone know where I can purchase Philippine hardwood(kamagong, > bahi...even cocobolo, etc.) sticks that come in a 1 1/8" or 1 1/4" diameter? > All of the online companies that I've found only sell their sticks in 7/8" or > 1" diameters. Some years ago an Aikido magazine (Aikido Today?) did a strength of materials article on wood for weapons. A lot of the exotic hardwoods like cocobolo and makassar ebony weren't all that great. For durability hickory was far and away the best followed by osage orange and, I think, ash. You might want to give these more familiar, less expensive, not-endangered woods a try. Todd ------------------------------ From: "Anthony James Hawkins" Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 21:26:58 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Gyi Marc Wrote, <1) Some say if his stories are true, there will be military records. I do not share this view of the all knowing, all seeing nature of military records. Rather I see them as on a par with the Florida Department of Elections. I think there are LOTS of things not recorded in war. (Can this be a cover for BS? Of course!) Each of these world views will draw different conclusions. Mine is that there is an absence of publicly available records certainly does NOT prove the claims against Dr. Gyi.> Granted, all of ones actions in combat are not recorded in records, but units served with/attached to are, as are awards given and pay grades achieved.(Believe me on the absouteness of the last one.) Personaly, my only gripe is that if you are going to use your service record to buid a reputation, validate the "leathalness" of your art, attract students and get onto military bases to train, you better be legit. A.Hawkins _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "BILL MCGRATH" Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 21:49:16 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Dr. Gyi vs. "?" I have to raise this question: If Dr. Gyi is lying about his military background don't you think the very last group who would ever want to hire him for training would be the numerous military units he has trained, who, one has to assume, have the ability to check his credentials and who would be the most offended if they found any falsehoods. And yet they train under him. The logical assumption would be that they find his credentials valid. I would not be so quick to pillory a man who, if he has done all he says he's done, has saved countless American and allied lives. I ask you, which would be the greater sin? To show respect to a man who does not deserve it or to show disrespect to a man who deserves great respect? I believe the wisest course of action for those who have not met Dr. Gyi would be to remain silent until hard evidence surfaces one way or the other. Have patience, I believe the truth will eventually come out. Tuhon Bill McGrath ------------------------------ From: "q" Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 19:03:19 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Dr. Gyi It is up to the student to decide whether he can benefit from Dr. Gyi's teachings. Regardless of Dr. Gyi credentials, I have had occasional classes with this man and in public he is a damn fine kind man that others should emulate. He is a fine teacher as well. Regards, Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S. Redondo Beach, Ca. ------------------------------ From: MdlAgdLftr@aol.com Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 06:28:58 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #78 In a message dated 2/10/01 4:53:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Someone (was it Rob? maybe Kim?) mentioned breaking a bahi stick. I have easily broken kamagong and other hard wood sticks, but I haven't broken bahi. Was it an old stick? We're you perhaps trying to break it, or did it just fail under normal use? Just curious. >> Hi Ray, That was me, and it was a cocobolo stick; I was in my garage doing Karensa, and accidentally swung the stick into my workbench. The cocobolo broke rather easily, which was a little alarming. I still have two other cocobolos, and my oldest son has used one I made for him for a few years, all sticks holding up well so far. I have beat the hell out of my other cocobolo sticks, with nary a dent. Could have been a bad piece, but they all came form the same stock, so go figure. I have a bahi stick that Rob gave me for my birthday, and it has held up fine so far, too. However, as expensive as bahi can get, I don't use it for anything other than Karensa, some basics practice, and flowsparring...I use my cocobolo for lock and block and things where it may get dinged up. The last time I saw Mike Inay he showed me a stick he had made of bahi, and the thing was like a piece of iron, really tough stuff. Kim Satterfield ------------------------------ From: Eagle556@aol.com Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 09:23:42 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #78 <<>> I believe it was Kim, but I also have broken a few bahi sticks. My first experience was a minor crack that occured on the end of one of my bahi sticks. Since that time I have broken three or four sticks during regular workouts. Most of the breaks occured during my feeding lock and block. One of the sticks simply had big chunks start to come off of it. The others simply broke in half. I had a few bahi knives and they too broke. Now I mostly use aluminum knives and have even made up a few aluminum swords (kris, barong, and kampilan) to use. I soak most of my sticks in boiled linseed oil but it is possible that the wood had dried out. I obtained a big rectangular piece of bahi years ago that I am just now fashioning into a stick so hopefully it will hold up longer than the other pieces of bahi. Kamagong looks really nice but it hasn't held up too well over the years. Of all the hardwoods that I have seen and used hickory has held up pretty well, although Mike Inay's ebony stick (before he had the silver tip put on it) broke quite a few sticks over the years. Take care, Rob. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 8:48:59 PST Subject: eskrima: The Grandfathers Speak Just viewed the videotape The Grandfathers Speak from Crafty and the Dog Brothers. Excellent! A great piece of history all on just one tape. Old footage some of the old Maongs in action, plus footage of them speaking about the future, and past, of Eskrima. A real must addition to your Eskrima video library, IMHO. I also obtained a copy of selected fights from Dog Brothers' Gatherings of the latter part of the 90s. The video contains some excellent fight footage. A very good tape to obtain if you're thinking of attending one of their biannual events. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 9:10:59 PST Subject: eskrima: Krav Maga, Line of Fire In The_Dojang we were recently talking about handgun disarms and practice guns. I was sent a copy of Darren Levine's video Line of Fire from his Krav Maga series. On the Edge is another video in their series on defending against knife attack. As you know, Krav Maga is the empty-hand art taught to the Israeli defense forces. Line of Fire is rather good. It slowly and clearly goes through how one might respond to a variety of handgun threats. Granted, attempting to disarm a mugger should be a last recourse, but should the need arise this tape provides good instruction on how to practice the techniques. It breaks down techniques into the steps of redirecting the line of fire, controlling the weapon, and then disarming the gunman. It goes through scenarios of threat from the front, rear, and side (gun in front or the arm and gun in back of the arm). It clearly teaches one response to each attack. While in some cases I personally prefer a different response to the one they teach, it does provide potentially workable disarms should one have no other recourse but to attempt to disarm their attacker. This tape is available from Amazon.com and also kravmaga.com. The practice guns they use and recommend are the ASP Redguns. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 9:12:04 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #79 *************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.