From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #80 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sun, 11 Feb 2001 Vol 08 : Num 080 In this issue: eskrima: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #79 eskrima: ASP Redguns eskrima: Dr Gyi and the Military eskrima: Re: Dr. Gyi eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #79 eskrima: acting debut eskrima: Dr. Gyi eskrima: Reminder of a Seminar on Tacosa Serrada Eskrima eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sunny Graff <105605.2047@compuserve.com> Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 12:37:31 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #79 Nachricht geschrieben von INTERNET:eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com >The practice guns they use and recommend are the ASP Redguns.< Could you explain what these are please? ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 11:22:22 PST Subject: eskrima: ASP Redguns > >The practice guns they use and recommend are the ASP Redguns.< > > Could you explain what these are please? Check out http://www.safetyleague.com/slstore/access/redguns.htm. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Paul V Anthony" Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 14:37:26 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Dr Gyi and the Military There are so many responses to this I would like to make one final comment aout clandestine military,CIA and Secret Service missions. Does anyone really know all the players dealing with military operations? Do you think that maybe just maybe there are missions out there that we never hear about? Has anyone really talk to people of substance like medal of honor winners or people who have fought next to Gyi? Well here goes my answers to all of this. First of all I am a former Police K-9 officer that has trained with some Secret Service and DOD K-9 Handlers. And talking to them has opened my eyes. No we do not hear of all the military operations or know of all the people involved, so that should be the answer to your first question. Second I am a personal friend of a man who is a Cogressional Medal of Honor Winner. He has alot of clout dealing with military operations. I showed him the stories with all the names blackened out, and he said that yes in fact all of this could be true and that this person (Gyi) would not be the only one that has been promoted up the ranks by military operations and teachings. He also told me that if true civilians really knew how the real military operated it would be hard for many of us to accept. Last but not least. Tuhon McGrath said it all. Why would the Military hire him? Dr Gyi has spread this all over the US in his seminars, so why would the military hire someone who would cast that type of cloud over them? They would not! So now for the most important question to all the doubters. Instead of trying to discredit a man who has helped countless police, military and civilians. Please find out WHO SHOT KENNEDY! Paul Anthony ------------------------------ From: Jivita@aol.com Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 15:15:32 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Dr. Gyi On the whole Dr. Gyi thing.... Before things get to out of hand, I thought someone should point out that: 1) No one has said anything in malice toward the man (regardless of how those emotionally charged may feel.) Posting the url of the site is not an act of malice. I think everyone has said that his MA skill is not in question. 2) The web site in question seems to have other priorities than defaming Dr. Gyi. Just as there is an FMA community on the web (which we are a part of) there seems to be a POW/MIA community on the web (which they are apparently a part of). The names of those responsible for the P.O.W network are listed, as well as their emails and a PHONE NUMBER. If you have concerns why not take it up with them, instead of arguing about it here. These folks maybe very sincere in the information they provide. If they are misguided, then let them know. 3) One person's hard fact is another person's hearsay. It often depends on your perspective. Only Dr. GYI and those he served with know the facts. 4) Haven't we all questioned the claims of MAist we have come in contact with? Given the amount of trust, money and fallacy that is involved/occurs in MA, shouldn't we? If so, what is wrong with that? Why does that change if it's a respected elder? As citizens in the MA community, isn't that our responsibility? If the person's claims are true and they have something to offer, great! If the person's claims are exaggerated but the have something to offer, it's disappointing but that doesn't affect that person's MA or teaching ability. If that person's claims are false and they have nothing of value to offer, then we are all better off for knowing. As an information forum focussing on FMA and other SEMA I think it's a good thing that these issues come up. For example, not to long ago the issue was the accuracy of the statements in Mark Wiley's book. If the issues are real and can be easily disproved, great. If not, those that truly have interest or concern can look into them further. Those who have no concern simply put the information down as interesting trivia. I put the information on Dr. Gyi down as interesting trivia. I personally take peoples claims with a grain of salt and measure them based on what they are doing today. Regards all. Jim. ------------------------------ From: "Brian Crowley" Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 15:23:44 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #79 This reminded me of a very detailed article I saw. Maybe it's the article Todd read: http://www.aikiweb.com/weapons/goedkoop1.html It has a bit more detail than I need, but some may find it interesting/helpful. Regards, Brian From: Todd Ellner Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 17:27:06 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Kamagong and Bahi Sticks Some years ago an Aikido magazine (Aikido Today?) did a strength of materials article on wood for weapons. A lot of the exotic hardwoods like cocobolo and makassar ebony weren't all that great. For durability hickory was far and away the best followed by osage orange and, I think, ash. You might want to give these more familiar, less expensive, not-endangered woods a try. Todd _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 13:36:27 PST Subject: eskrima: acting debut Oh, one thing I forgot to mention was that as a special added bonus, in The Grandfathers Speak video (mentioned in the previous digest issue) you get the special treat of seeing the acting debut (?) of Crafty as a punk street urchin. Edgar Sulite knocks the snot out of him... :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "SAUNDERS GIBSON" Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 15:27:58 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Dr. Gyi Ray & Readers: In regards to Dr. Gyi and his military background, there are always records, sometimes vague, but there will be records. Being a veteran of ten years myself I know a little of how these things work. Mr. Mark Denny is right in that recorded history may not always reflect all of the details. We know this to be true of both nations and individuals here on this forum. My own records do not explain in ANY detail out side of rank, position in the chain of command, and dates of my combat tours of duty what I may or may not have been involved in. The exception to this are my individual citations, awards, and medals. These traditionally include a detailed account of the persons actions. If a person is interested in the legitimacy of Dr. Gyi's military background, as it pertains to his martial art instruction, maybe consider RESPECTFULLY asking him for supporting documentation and/or references from those that have served by his side in the fields of battle. My personal recommendation is that this is not done to just prove a point. Being a public figure, he will of course be scrutinized more closely than others, but never should ANY persons privacy be invaded for petty reasons. Also consider that there are somethings that an individual, possibly for personal reasons, or the nation(s) which that person served, may not care to make public. War is dirty business after all. My final comment is this: This is a forum of warrior arts. Shall we conduct ourselves as warriors? Showing proper respects and preceding ourselves with honor and dignity. I don't know Dr. Gyi, but it saddens me to see his integrity trampled in the dirt in this way. BLUE ------------------------------ From: "Dr. Gar Ko" Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 17:48:54 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Reminder of a Seminar on Tacosa Serrada Eskrima Kumusta ka, Just a reminder and a week away on the Tacosa Serrada Eskrima Seminar featuring Master Jimmy Tacosa on February 17, 2001 from 1 to 6 p.m. The location is the Ko Mu Do Kwan, 2819 E. Central Ave., Wichita, Kansas. The fee is $75. Bring two rattan sticks and a training dagger. For more information, contact Dr. Gar Ko at (316) 651-5050 or email him at: komudo@swbell.net Thank you for posting this a final time. Mabuhay Ang Eskrima! Maraming Salamat Po, Dr. Gar Ko Wichita, Kansas ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 17:31:59 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #80 *************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.