From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #86 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thur, 15 Feb 2001 Vol 08 : Num 086 In this issue: eskrima: Bahi eskrima: Hardwoods... eskrima: middle of the palm tree, is the bahi wood eskrima: Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 08:43:21 -0600 eskrima: oiling your rattan eskrima: your wrong sorry eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 00:10:26 EST Subject: eskrima: Bahi Greetings, Happy Valentine first of all. I just want to drop my 2 cent to this thread. << >> according to what I have learned in the Philippines, Bahi is the heart, >>the inner part of the palm trees. Dieter, this wrong not true, you got a wrong info about the Bahi. The bahi is harder the outer part of the old palm tree, from the root/ if the tree is 50/75 years old you are lucky to get half of the tree to have hard bahi. The older the tree the harder the bahi. The middle is soft, unlike other type of wood like Kamagong, Mabolo, and the middle called "Tigas" are the one harder than outer called "banakal" in palm tree the other way around. I used to get Bahi from Seven different type of Palm tee in the Philippines and the most among them is the Anahaw Bahahi and Pugahan Bahi the rest is like coconut is a brownis color instead dark black. >>The outer wood is supposedly of softer >>nature, but the center, perhaps a 1/3rd or 1/4th of the total diameter >>in the middle of the palm tree, is the bahi wood. Dieter, really they give you a wrong info, from the outer part of the volume is usually 1 1/2 to 2 inches the best black fiber of the bahi and the rest is brownist color and the middle if the volume is about ten to twelve inches the soft part is eight inches. >> Best regards from Germany >> Dieter Knüttel, Probably they dont want to give you the information for business porposes, or he really does not know, well now youknow, you can get a try to get a bahi on your own if you visit Philippines next time. Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA ------------------------------ From: Kel620@aol.com Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 01:05:59 EST Subject: eskrima: Hardwoods... This wood would make some nice sticks... http://www.cocoboloinc.com/vitae.html ------------------------------ From: "Michael Enad" Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:40:23 Subject: eskrima: middle of the palm tree, is the bahi wood Hi, I think your information is reversed, The middle of the palm tree is soft and the outer portion is hard as a rock(not counting the bark). Local people use the palm tree for lumber; the only required treatment is to soak the palm lumber in recycled motor oil. Yes my resources say Bahi is from the lower portion of old Palm trees(at least 90 years). Michael Wood Kris Swords _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Tom Skoglind" Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:46:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: eskrima: Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 08:43:21 -0600 Seminar Announcement: Masirib Guro Steve Klement of Inayan Systems International will be conducting a one day seminar on Inayan Kadena de Mano empty hand and knife-defense applications. Date: Saturday, March 24th Time: 12-4 pm Location: Original Martial Systems, Appleton WI To register, get directions, or for more information, please contact me directly via e-mail. Tom Skoglind tskoglin@schmitt-title.com Inayan Systems International ------------------------------ From: "HHSTM - Campbell, Eric" Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:28:30 -0600 Subject: eskrima: oiling your rattan Hello everybody, i was wondering what exactly does oiling do for the sticks. And does it matter if they are rattan, bahi, and or bamboo, thanks for your time and i really enjoy the Digest. ------------------------------ From: "q" Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:12:28 -0800 Subject: eskrima: your wrong sorry Sorry EB you are just wrong. That's not cut on you. It is just a philisophical discussion and "Credential" means nothing. They impress only those who have none. You emulate the good behaviors of individuals who earn your respect and trust. That has nothing to do with credential. I have reached near the pinnical of American education. You know what...It is all Bullshit. The brightest most successful guys I know never went to college and have no degrees. Credential and degrees teaches you to think inside a box. At the highest levels of perfect you can emulate your instructors in a box perfectly. When you are really good at copying your instructor gives you a belt. I ask you would you rather have the guy fight on your side who has the highest belt or the best streetfighter in your class? The only people who can truely teach you something inovative is someone who has independent thought. The best guy you know in any trade, MA etc. is not the best guy because he had the best teachers. He is the best guy because he eclipsed his teachers and thinks outside the box. Teachers who teach "at" you razzle dazzle you with credential. Teachers who guide your thought are truely special people and rarely have the highest credential. I know... I have been taught "at" by many of the "best" (credentialed) but only taught by a few special people. The >credentials presented are important since they are part of the basis >for one's decision to attend or not attend a seminar. Knowone gives a rats A about credential at seminars. Seminars are too short in duration to do anything but pick out a few teachniques which may be integreated into your bag of tricks assuming you have a bag of tricks you can currently implement. Meaning seminars are a waste of time if all you have is a toolbox. You have to be able to use the tools. I can not >condone lying about one's military background and I can not suggest >emulating a person who has blantantly lied about such a credential >in order to attract people to his/her seminars, dojo, or camps. Why >would we want to emulate deliberately deceitful behvior? > >I do not have an opinion on the truth or falsity of the military >claims by Dr. Gyi, but I do know that he needs to step forward and >put his record up for public review, therby ending the controversy. >If he can not or will not make parts of his military record, public, >then the implication will be taaht he has not been truthful! Finally, there is no need for anyone to get up and shout out routinely I'm a DENTIST. It is pretty stupid to do so. I'm licensed by the state and I have a diploma. Who cares! Each patient has to experience for themselves whether I can deliver what they want and need. It would not be O.K. for me to pull your tooth out your earhole. My license says I can do anything I want to your tooth in my professional judgement. I earned that right becasue I have a degree. You see that's just B. S.. I'm only a dentist when I earn your respect and trust through merit not because I got my degree from Georgetown U. and can prove it. When a student achieves enlightenment he knows it. A student also knows who helpped him get there. It is about the man not the credential. Regards, Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S. Redondo Beach, Ca. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 8:43:26 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #86 *************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.