From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #88 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 16 Feb 2001 Vol 08 : Num 088 In this issue: eskrima: live blade eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #87 eskrima: Re: your wrong sorry eskrima: License to learn eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #87 eskrima: Re: your wrong sorry eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 19:23:02 PST Subject: eskrima: live blade How many of ya'll out there in ED-land have done live blade training? If you have, was anyone cut (more than a lite scratch)? Just curious... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Anthony James Hawkins" Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 23:27:06 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #87 DocFung Wrote... Yeah Doc, but if you put out advertisements or simply just told your patients that you were the inventor of this dental innovation and awarded citations from that dental organization or foundation and you were not....Your patients may think you are the best dentist on earth, and you just might be, but how do you think your patients would think of you when they found out. I cast a skeptical eye on the philosophy of "overlook a persons character if you can get something out of it." There are penty of other instructors out there. A.Hawkins _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: szorn@webtv.net (S ZORN) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 23:55:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: eskrima: Re: your wrong sorry docfung, You stated that "credential" means nothing. The fact is "credentials" are what the world is based on. You wouldn't be a dentist without your "credentials". How many people study martial arts under self-made instructors with no "credentials"? Not many. Anyone who hides behind lies and false "credentials" can't be a good person and I doubt they can help anyone find enlightenment. Steve ------------------------------ From: "BILL MCGRATH" Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 00:44:09 -0500 Subject: eskrima: License to learn Johnaleen wrote: "the degree is only the license to learn more and practice what you were taught in the real world until you gain the experience to back up what you have on paper.. The paper is only the start its the actually teaching or application experience afterwards that gives you the real experience to apply your applications." A diploma or certification is a "license to learn". I like that phrase a lot. I'll have to incorporate that somehow into my rank certificates. It sets just the right tone. Thanks Johnaleen. Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath Visit the PTI web site at: http://www.pekiti-tirsia.com/index.html ------------------------------ From: Patrick Davies Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 09:23:24 -0000 Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #87 While risking the wrath of some I find it hard to understand TKD in the Olympic games I find it a poor advert for martial arts and tend to switch off. I have asked some who watched it and not martial art orientated and they don't find it interesting. Im not decrying the athletes but it just doesn't come across on the television well IMO. The armour worn takes away the beauty of the kicks. This happens to many sports and the coverage doesn't always give it justice but what little is shown (at least here in the uk) doesn't do it justice. pd -----Original Message----- 2004 European Senior TKD Champs May 4-9 Lillehammer, Norway Olympic Games Sept Athens, Greece ------------------------------ From: "Ernest Westbrook" Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 13:30:58 -0000 Subject: eskrima: Re: your wrong sorry >From: "q" >Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:12:28 -0800 >Subject: eskrima: your wrong sorry > >Sorry EB you are just wrong. That's not cut on you. It is just a >philisophical discussion and "Credential" means nothing. They >impress >only those who have none. I too, am sorry Doctor Fung, and there is no need to continue this particular exchange, because we are in complete disagreement. If someone is using their credentials and past experiences to attract people and "sell" themselves as being knowlegable within their particular area of interest, then I believe, honesty about the credential is important! I may or may not like the person, I may or may not be impressed with their actual ability, once I have had the opportunity to associate with them, but it was the stated credential that helped to fuel my initial interest. Within the MAs I have attended seminars with noted personalities as well as people who have little public notice. I have been impressed and disappointed within each situation. Credentials are relevent and I can agree that the credential should never be the sole determinate factor with regard to whether or not one should attend a seminar/camp or join a school, however the credential is one of the factors that we all use in our considerations. I also use the concept of personal integrity and honesty as an additional factor in my selections. Ability/skill level, alone is not the deciding factor for me. I do not use such one dimensional determinates in my selction of people when I go to them to utilize their services. As for the business about reaching the pinnicle of American Education, I can agree that everyone who has earned a doctorate is not the brightest bulb in the package; however, I have reached a very high level within the academy system, I know the difference between book smart and street smart, and I also know the difference between being awarded an earned degree and obtaining a mail order piece of paper that alleges that the holder is an educated person. The lattter, no matter how bright and skilled is still a fraud and a liar, why would I want to emulate his/her behavior? It is a total package, in my opinion. Every person has strengths and weaknesses. I simply choose to work with those people who are honest, skilled and knowledgable. If someone has not told the basic truth about being in the military, I have a problem with that and i can not put my confidence in their instruction. If that same person had never mentioned the military, stated that they were trained in a particular martial art style and had the documentation to support that stated background, then I would have much more confidence in them as an instructor, BECAUSE, they HAD NOT LIED. I do not know the truth about the military service of Dr. Gyi. I have never trained with Dr. Gyi. Therefore, I am writing with regard to the general context of how I make some of my selctions of instructors seminars/camps to attend. And as I said at the top, we are on different paths with regard to his issue of credentials and honesty. EBrook _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 7:53:03 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #88 *************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.