From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #92 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sat, 17 Feb 2001 Vol 08 : Num 092 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #88 eskrima: LB's eskrima: Fw: Live Blade Training Re: eskrima: Fw: Live Blade Training eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #86 eskrima: Bram Frank eskrima: Re: rank, credentials, and lineage Re: eskrima: Bram Frank eskrima: Ben Largusa eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. 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Spunky _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "q" Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 12:45:18 -0800 Subject: eskrima: LB's >Guro A and B are both close friends, and I have done live blade training >with both. Both are extremely talented and conscientious practitioners >in the arts. However, accidents just happen, even when you are operating >at a higher level of awareness with live blades. >> >I guess the answer is to train, very carefully, and only with people you >can entrust with your life and well being. > >Respest and Regards, Sarge Sarge you are right on. I know guro C who put his spyderco through his thumb. Accidents do happen. I don't think paintball is real enough so we shoot real bullets. How about you? Regards, Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S. Redondo Beach, Ca. ------------------------------ From: "Johnaleen" Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 16:57:52 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Fw: Live Blade Training I have read what everyone here has put since Ray asked the question... now i believe the Question was if you training with live blades and if you have ever been cut doing it. I have always spent part of my training using live blades. there is nothing like the feel of real mettle in your hands and it gives you the honesty you need latter when teaching, Knives are ok and i do spend at least 2 hours a week training with real steal as they say, i would say though that i like to play with my swords more then the knifes. mainly because i need more work with the swords then i do right now with the knife as the knife work is part of my morning routine for my old decrepit arthritic hands. i have heard many say here that the real life experience on top of the training is what you need, that realism is important. yeah well that dose not necessarily mean that what others teach in knife defense and counters and disarms is what you will be using to save your life, but the training with the real blades gives you some idea of what you will be doing and how that real blade will come into play, training with the live blade tends to give you some of the realties but not all. when you have the live blade training you tend to go for survival instead of the form that you were working on. real blade training is very good for sensitivity as well. but not until you have had that real blade in your hand for a few years first. I do not want to get cut so badly that i will train with someone that has little or no experience with a knife. so that in itself closes some of the options of being cut for me in training. i am not worried about me getting cut when i am training with swords/knifes and miscellanies real sharp weapons alone, i have never once cut myself in solo training with real blades, thank goodness i never been cut in live blade training with others, Again i will not train this way with just anyone to be sure. I know i was mortified the day i cut the back of my trainers hand with my balisong. not because of the blood or the cut but because i was afraid that he was going to kill my silly self. He was sort of shocked i guess and the look on his face made me back off and leave the room fast. I also know i have the real life experiences with the knife fights occasionally in my past to go by as well. there i have been cut but not to the point of stopping me from getting the heck out of there and away after the situations were over and dealt with. i believe animal said that he would not be hanging around to show off his work.... i.e. i agree if i am saving my sorry butt i am not going too hang around and show off the work either. Now i have a Question and one that has been making me laugh now since this dialog on live knife training started..... I really sort of thought about Rays Question for the past 3 days and every time i did i started laughing... why? well when i started thinking about this i thought wow i have been very lucky not to have ever been cut in training. In fights and survival instances of real life very fortune as well, even the one or 2 times i did get cut surviving, But hell when i thought about it the most damage i have ever done to myself with knifes was in the kitchen cooking or doing the dishes, heck i have cut myself so many times doing dishes and cooking and seriously once to the point of almost loosing me finger. tis funny really....... " grin" " The survivor of knife fights and live training blades that cuts herself cooking and cleaning" Ms J........ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 14:50:54 PST Subject: Re: eskrima: Fw: Live Blade Training > I have read what everyone here has put since Ray asked the question... now i > believe the Question was if you training with live blades and if you have > ever been cut doing it. Thanks. I wondered if anyone else noticed that... :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: MdlAgdLftr@aol.com Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 17:46:44 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #86 In a message dated 2/15/01 8:26:40 AM Pacific Standard Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Hello everybody, I was wondering what exactly does oiling do for the sticks. And does it matter if they are rattan, bahi, and or bamboo, thanks for your time and i really enjoy the Digest. >> Hi, We use boiled linseed oil, soaking the sticks (rattan and hardwood) in an enclosed PVC pipe full of oil for a couple of weeks, then allow the sticks to dry for a couple more weeks. This conditions the stick to repel moisture (great for someone like me who sweats profusely in training, which will cause an untreated hardwood stick to crack). Linseed oils soaks also add a little more weight to rattan sticks...a little more heft to an already light weapon. Kim Satterfield ------------------------------ From: abanico-video-knuettel@t-online.de (Dieter =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kn=FCttel?=) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 23:56:24 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Bram Frank > > Guro B was recently working with his new gunting knife, after becoming > > very comfortable in practice with the companion trainer knife. > > Was this the Bram Frank designed folder, the Gunting? > > Ray Terry > raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Hi, I recently read an article about this Gunting Folder from Spyderco. They also wrote about Bram Frank and had pictures from him. I have never heared of him before (not that this meanys anything) In the article they wrote that he is a 5th Dan in a FMA style. Does anybody know something about him? Thanks Dieter - -- Dieter Knüttel ABANICO Video Productions http://www.abanico.de European Modern Arnis Representative http://modern-arnis.de ------------------------------ From: MdlAgdLftr@aol.com Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 18:00:16 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: rank, credentials, and lineage In a message dated 2/15/01 8:26:40 AM Pacific Standard Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Sorry EB you are just wrong. That's not cut on you. It is just a philosophical discussion and "Credential" means nothing. They impress only those who have none. You emulate the good behaviors of individuals who earn your respect and trust. That has nothing to do with credential. I have reached near the pinnacle of American education. You know what...It is all Bullshit. The brightest most successful guys I know never went to college and have no degrees. Credential and degrees teaches you to think inside a box. At the highest levels of perfect you can emulate your instructors in a box perfectly. When you are really good at copying your instructor gives you a belt. I ask you would you rather have the guy fight on your side who has the highest belt or the best streetfighter in your class? The only people who can truly teach you something innovative is someone who has independent thought. The best guy you know in any trade, MA , etc., is not the best guy because he had the best teachers. He is the best guy because he eclipsed his teachers and thinks outside the box. Teachers who teach "at" you razzle dazzle you with credential. Teachers who guide your thought are truly special people and rarely have the highest credential. I know... I have been taught "at" by many of the "best" (credentialed) but only taught by a few special people. >> AMEN!!!! Thank you, Doc, that is something that has needed to be said for a loooong time. In this day of people being considered knowledgeable because they come the closest to emulating the teacher, we need to be reminded of just why we undertook the study of a martial art in the first place; not to be a member of a prestigious organization, but to learn how to fight. Who cares what an art is called, or what rank is listed on a certificate...if a student can't apply what they have learned in the ring or, if the need arises, in the street, then the certificates are only good for (as Bruce Lee so aptly stated) cleaning up messes. Too damned much time is wasted these days on acquiring an impressive lineage or a wallful of certificates, and not enough on practicality. As I have always said, my stick is all the "credentials" I need. Kim Satterfield ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 17:21:01 PST Subject: Re: eskrima: Bram Frank > I recently read an article about this Gunting Folder from Spyderco. They > also wrote about Bram Frank and had pictures from him. I have never > heard of him before (not that this meanys anything) In the article they > wrote that he is a 5th Dan in a FMA style. Does anybody know something > about him? Supposedly he is a 3rd degree BB under Remy Presas, soon to be 4th. It seems he took over the relationship with the ICHF (International Combat Hapkido Federation) after Remy affiliated with the ICHF and its head, John Pellegrini, for a year or two. He/Frank, like Remy P., is apparently no longer working with the ICHF. I don't know him either, that is just what I've picked up here and there. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 17:35:03 PST Subject: eskrima: Ben Largusa FYI, there is an article on Ben Largusa in the March 2001 issue of Martial Arts Combat Sports magazine (http://www.cfwenterprises.com). Largusa also appears on the magazine cover. 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