From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #95 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 19 Feb 2001 Vol 08 : Num 095 In this issue: eskrima: Shishir Inocalla Re: eskrima: Shishir Inocalla eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #94 eskrima: Re: one punch, one kill eskrima: Re: Live blade training Re: eskrima: Live Blade training eskrima: Mime-Version: 1.0 eskrima: Shishir Inocalla eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew Wires" Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 17:10:11 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Shishir Inocalla This must be my day, I've lurked for about 3 yrs and suddenly am posting twice in one day. I'm sure others will be able to elaborate more, but from what I've heard, remember, etc. Shishir Inocalla is a Datu under GM Remy Presas (lets not open the whole "Datu" issue again) and one of his original students in the PI. I have also heard that he is Remy's adopted son (or something to that effect). He has his own organization now in the PI. As a bonus he also starred in the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle movies, I think he was Mike. Andy ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 14:39:35 PST Subject: Re: eskrima: Shishir Inocalla > Shishir Inocalla is a Datu under GM Remy Presas (lets not open the whole Ahh, -that- Shishir Inocalla. :) I guess I knew that, sorry... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: MdlAgdLftr@aol.com Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 17:43:54 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #94 In a message dated 2/18/01 1:28:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Well Kim... a large number of people on this list. I agree with you, however, have you forgotten the regular posts on Dr., Professor, Maha, Punong, Tuhon, Master etc.? I give it a month before another post like this comes along. How about the linguistic ramifications on weather Lapu lapu was hyphenated, (example) or the title, birth place, name, stick size, or lineage of your instructor? >> I guess it all boils down to why we are here, and what is important to us...substance, or symbolism. Kim Satterfield ------------------------------ From: "Bill Lowery" Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 00:10:08 -0000 Subject: eskrima: Re: one punch, one kill Hi Ray, Both of my FMA instructors are small guys (one Filipino - Danny Guba- one British - Jimi McAvoy) and both stress the idea of multiple strikes not only to maximise the amount of damage you are doing to the opponent but also to limit the available responses from your opponent. If they are trying not to get hit, they are less likely to be hitting (ok, I know the best defence is offence, but multiple hits in minimal time limits the reactions due to pain signals coming in from various points on the body). Yeah, one punch, one kill can work if you are big enough (see British bouncer Geoff Thompson's body of work. He advocates the "pre-emptive strike".) but if you are a small guy, multiple strikes are the way to go. They also increase your chances of getting the "killing" blow in. Bill Lowery ------------------------------ From: "Danny Terrell" Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 18:31:13 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Re: Live blade training Animal wrote: >>Unfortunately, I still am getting a whiff of what Colonel Applegate called the "Dueling" mentality here. Recognize what I am talking about is inflicting a killing move AS I am getting the hell out of there >> On this I agree!! One of the problems as I see it is most of us training "Knife Fighting" are doing just that fighting a knife. Most have never confronted a live blade much less been in a knife fight. Hell, most have never been in a fight much less a Death or Life situation. Oh, yea some of us have been in fights that we thought were terrible and that the other person was trying to take our head off. This mentally is from the fact that most of us don't realize that what we are trying to do to the bad guy they are trying to do to us. We train with the thought that what we do will stop the other person. We also mentally shut down because of our so called "Killer Techniques". Something one of my hand to hand combat instructors in the military finally drove into me was that we are not training for Life and Death, but for "Death or Life". Understanding this changed my outlook on surviving any situation. I will do whatever I must do to not Die!. I now believe in Life not Death. All the training prior my outlook was my life your death. When I started to look at my situations in the other mindset of we are playing with my death and your life I started doing whatever I could to not to die while taking your life. There is no honor in my dying. So to those of you who truly want to be knife fighters go ahead, more power to you. I don't want to fight knives or anything for that matter. However, I will use whatever is available to take you out as I am leaving. As Tuhon Bill once told me, he has only one rule in a fight, "I WIN!!" Danny Terrell www.progressivemaclub.homestead.com ------------------------------ From: joebe'@flash.net Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 17:52:21 -0700 Subject: Re: eskrima: Live Blade training >In the heat of battle and adrenaline people don't stand still >waiting for delivery of this so called killing move. Moving the target only >an inch or three or slippery hands can quickly turn a killing move into just >another average technique. IMHO the concept of "so what if I blow it and my >killing move doesn't work, the attacker is now unconscious" (from your earlier >post) is just not based in reality. Excellent point, so Very true! ------------------------------ From: Luis Pellicer III Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 10:57:45 +0800 Subject: eskrima: Mime-Version: 1.0 >To go out on a limb here, I think there is a large percentage of Americans >that WANT a grandiose story to give their instructor credibility. (Much >less in the FMA community however.) Remember the stories about Seagal >working for the CIA? That sure didn't hurt his American "sellability". I >even read an interview once where he would not comment on the CIA question. >I use this as just an example, insert any instructor and any military/law >enforcement group in the same sentence. In my karate days, our master was >reported to be able to kick basketball rims and was scheduled to fight Bruce >Lee three days before Lee died. We were just teenagers at the time, and we >sure ate it up. > >We can all chime in to say that these things don't matter to us, but the >droves of posts on this list tell a different story. We have all sorts of foreigners coming over to learn the "esoteric" side of the FMA, with a large % of them actually believing the wildest claims. (With "instructors" very willing to part them with thier cash) Once in a while a few will come over to the office, heads in the clouds because they have just learned how to be invincible. On two occassions I offered to shoot them, to test thier oracions, anting antings, etc. (This IS 'Pinas and you CAN get away with some things) Have yet to have someone take me up on it. Despite the delusion, facing reality is sobering. ------------------------------ From: "steven drape" Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 12:32:34 +0800 Subject: eskrima: Shishir Inocalla > Ok, next question... :) Who is Datu Shishir Inocalla? What style is he? > > Ray Terry He was one of Remy Presas' instructors back in the early eighties. I don't know what he is doing today, though I heard he is back in the Philippines. Since I left Modern Arnis around '85, I haven't kept up with him. He used to be based in Western Canada- Vancouver, I think. His was one of the first Datu titles in Modern Arnis, but his was actually unrelated to the organization. He had studied meditation and philosophy in India from a young age, and he told me that he had been given that title when he left. Personally, I think that he may have been the inspiration for the Professor using the title on other people later, but I don't really know for sure. Steve - -- _______________________________________________ FREE Internet Email for the Martial Arts! 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