From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #98 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 20 Feb 2001 Vol 08 : Num 098 In this issue: eskrima: change the subject eskrima: sparring eskrima: NAAKESC RATED STICK FIGHT 2001 eskrima: Professor Presas eskrima: RE: Cebu City and the real Enchilada eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #96 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #97 eskrima: Training in the south eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. 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Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Sidney525@aol.com Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 23:44:00 EST Subject: eskrima: sparring I have noticed that sparring in FMA is not neccesarily as pronounced as in other martial arts. I was looking at the recent article by GM Largusa, and he also seems to not emphasize sparring as much as training drills that approximate sparring. What do Eskrimadors out there think about sparring vs. drills and how much should each one be trained Sid FKEAC ------------------------------ From: ARNISTE@aol.com Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 00:14:28 EST Subject: eskrima: NAAKESC RATED STICK FIGHT 2001 Meowmix to all, The North American Arnis Kali Eskrima Council (NAAKESC) Update: Rated Stick Fight and Cash Award for Champs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When: May 26th, 2001 (Saturday) Place: California,USA Time: 8 am- 10pm Weapons: Single or Double Sticks (Be provided on the day of event) Cash: $400.00 per Division Champ and Plaque/ 2nd Place $100.00 (3 Divisions) Registration Fee: $100.00 (no discount) Bring own Personal Protection Equipments(PPE), No Gear- No Fight -No Cash For more informations pls. E-mail: Arniste@aol.com Mail to: CATSociety 3914 Atlantic Ave., Long Beach, CA. 90807 att: Hefe-Guro Nelson See you and keep on training ,be apart of "Thrilla In California" Nelson"PinoyKowboy"Trinidad Combat Arnis Tabak Society ------------------------------ From: abanico-video-knuettel@t-online.de (Dieter =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kn=FCttel?=) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 08:18:19 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Professor Presas > His IMAF involvement is a moot point. There are a considerable number of > people who hold IMAF advanced ranking who are no longer associated with the > organization and Professor Presas. Bet there are some stories there... but > not for discussion here or as a cross current within this thread. Hi, while it is true that many high ranking persons are not associated with the IMAF any more (something that happens in almost every system, especially when you see, that the Professor has been teaching in the US for almost 30 years). And sure, you cannot be everybody´s darling. But almost all of these people that I have met, talked to, had e-mail contact with or read about, still kept the Professor in high respect even though their paths may have separated. This is, in my opinion, astonishing and tells something about the qualities of the Professor. Regards Dieter - -- Dieter Knüttel ABANICO Video Productions http://www.abanico.de European Modern Arnis Representative http://modern-arnis.de Achtung, Neue Adresse: Knyphausenstr. 2b 44287 Dortmund ------------------------------ From: "Johnaleen" Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 03:15:00 -0500 Subject: eskrima: RE: Cebu City and the real Enchilada Animal wrote:*****I've said it before, I'll say it again...come down to El Segundo and SEE what I am talking about...don't just assume you know it. This ain't Cebu City folks, we do things differently here in the States. If you don't know the difference, you're going to get someone killed if they ever find themselves in the real enchilada.****** When did Animal say he was in El Segundo? and can i take pictures if i am in calif that week? " Ms. J grins Wickedly" i would love to get pics for my album. ooooooo and are you dudes gonna use Live Blades? Its just well i have sort of seen both sides to this coin and it would be interesting to watch. I had enough Filipino Blood History left to me by my father in law that would make this something i would watch to be sure..... that and well seeing both sides personally tis sort of funny that ya sort of said that animal..... actually and i swear i am not trying to be mean or silly but i cant stop laughing about it..... Its just such a totally ridicules statement..... Holy Cow......... ummmmm Animal have you ever been to the philipines? i only ask because well...... you know its pretty enchilada there most of the time dude..... shehshs Ms. J....... ------------------------------ From: MdlAgdLftr@aol.com Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 06:55:08 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #96 In a message dated 2/19/01 1:29:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << When my mama needs heart surgery, I ain't takin' her to some self-proclaimed or "widely acknowledged" expert who went to a few seminars on how to make Valentine's Day cards. The essence of training lineages and credentials on any craft is the increased likelihood that in following the advice of the "expert" we will be leaving less to chance in our attempts to succeed in whatever requirement we have related to their expertise. >> Good point, I suppose, but then we have to keep in mind that martial arts ain't brain (or in this case, heart) surgery. I don't put a lot of faith in a bunch of certificates or a person spouting an impressive lineage. If I want to study with someone, I either work out with them first, or watch a class. If I can't get a hint of their credibility by their performance, I'm not going to get it from a certificate. If the person won't let me watch a class, then they have no confidence in their abilities or their art; I leave, and look elsewhere. I know too darned many guys who can show me high ranking certificates, some even with letters that pass the directorship of an art onto them, who couldn't fight their way out of the imaginary world they live in. In the end, the proof is in the pudding. BTW, before it comes up, I have several black belts that I've earned over the years, and instructor's certificates granted by people that I have a world of respect for (that's why I accepted them in the first place). However, all the rank in the world means nothing if I don't get off my butt and train once in a while. It is just too easy to get comfortable, and sit on one's fat aspirations..... Kim Satterfield ------------------------------ From: MdlAgdLftr@aol.com Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 07:02:18 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #97 In a message dated 2/19/01 8:40:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << *sigh* I know of no "one punch /kill" In all honesty I seriously doubt that > it really exists - even if there are some "masters" who supposedly can do it. >> My own theory of the "one-punch kill" is that someone got in a lucky shot once and cold cocked another guy with that one-in-a-million shot...he was shocked when his opponent went down, and didn't up. However, the observing crowd declared the man a "master" of the "one-punch kill," and very soon, (and very easily), the newly crowned "master" began believing all the hype himself, and assumed that yes, he must be a master. He never had to duplicate the feat, since by reputation alone, he never had another challenger (others were too scared of the image to chance becoming the next victim of the master's supernatural powers). People queued up to become students, and increase their own sense of self-worth by aligning themselves with a well-known master, and there you go, another legend is born. Kim Satterfield ------------------------------ From: "Michael Barnes" Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 10:40:13 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Training in the south - ------------------------------ From: kalkiusa@netscape.net (Mikal Keenan) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 13:45:42 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Atlanta Can anyone here comment on the South East Asian MA (Kali, Silat, Muay Thai) scene in Atlanta? Birmingham just ain't happening yet. My last post hit me like a brick ... everyone who shows up wants everything quick and gets disgruntled because they can't do things on the first day ... want to do more advanced things right away. Had a local black belt "instructor" show a couple of weeks ago ... couldn't do triangle stepping ... insisted on doing his dojang hop instead (how you gonna grow to where you think you wanna go if you keep going back to where you've been). There've been others who think that if it ain't UFC/JJ it's too soft (read as: I ain't got no ... coordination). Had another black belt come in with single stick awhizzin' "WE come out like THIS!!!" (reminded me of my son at 2 and-a-half :-) Asked him "Can you FIGHT with that?" "No..." he says. Oy vey mama! According to another native, kung fu/kali/silat are "sissy s__t". Huh? Anyway, I'm thinking that I may have to trek from BHM to ATL or stagnate. Other than Sifu Fong, wha's goin' on obah dere? Any Kun Tao in town? Here in Alabam, what about Auburn? Be well, Mik - ------------------------------ Mik, I'm not sure how far it is but there is a great Eskrima school in Knoxville, TN. The instructor is Masirib Steve Klement and he has been teaching in this area since July of 1995. I've been studying under Masirib Klement for about 2 years and have loved every minute of it. If you have any question you can email me personally. Look forward to hearing from you. Mabuhay ang eskrima! Michael Barnes mbarnes@nxs.net Inayan System International Knoxville, TN ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 8:14:47 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #98 *************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.