From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #100 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 20 Feb 2001 Vol 08 : Num 100 In this issue: eskrima: Enchilada in Cebu?? eskrima: RE: sparring eskrima: Re: Sparring eskrima: Titles eskrima: Alternative running techniques eskrima: Running eskrima: Recommend school in Bagio? eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #97 eskrima: Mime-Version: 1.0 eskrima: Spyderco eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Danny Alvendia Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 14:22:43 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Enchilada in Cebu?? Knife fighting and/or defense is tough and difficult to teach. First of all the knife is not exposed or shown to you (victim). From what I have been told, most attacks come in "ambush" style ... a person selling cigarettes and then whips out a knife to stab you, as an example. Hacks and bolo attacks usually stem from all night drinking that goes awry. Everyday stabbing and fights of this nature happens in the Philippines. Owning a bolo, knife, etc ... is still cheaper than a gun. Things there are indeed different than here, even the prison setting. In a maximum security prison there, I saw folks in make shift bunks ala a commune with ... cooking wares, yes, knives, metal forks, spoons, bottled softdrinks, can openers, pots and pans ... even a small gas stove. Now, tell me, when a riot breaks out ... you think they have weapons to defend or kill? Strange indeed ... why this is done, I do not know. Lumpia is more available there than enchilada. :) ====================== Danny Alvendia dannya@mayannetworks.com ------------------------------ From: "Michael Sarles" Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 14:30:30 -0800 Subject: eskrima: RE: sparring Long time lurker here - been a while since I've posted. I love Bruce Lee's answer to a question like this. Here is the gist of it: Learning martial arts with out sparring is like learning to swim without ever getting in the water. Peace, Michael Sarles The old-school (koryu) Japanese arts also emphasize drills and minimize sparring. I have often wondered why this is: 1- because they got plenty of real-life "sparring" as a function of what they did for a living? 2- because they were training a mental attitude of killing rather than sparring? 3- because even light sparring with wooden clubs tends to be a bit dangerous? I honestly don't know the answer, but I suspect that it was a combination of these. ------------------------------ From: "Roaring Girl" Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:43:58 -0330 Subject: eskrima: Re: Sparring > > From: "Kimberley Hobbs" > Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 12:55:48 -0330 > Subject: eskrima: Re: sparring > The second time > I sparred (about a year later) was much better. Instead of rushing in there > I took my time and used my head. All those sumbrada cycles and numerada > drills came flooding back and I managed to look like I knew what I was > doing. Jocelyne may have a different opinion since it was her I sparred with > :-) well, if you looked like I did (or how I imagine I did), it's a wonder we didn't both fall down laughing :D it's true though, having the "awareness of movement" that comes from doing the drills and the knowledge of how to use them trained into your body so that it's automatic, allows us to focus on more important things...like not getting hit! With footwork (ie getting out of the way) trained to work *at the same time* as my stickwork, I don't have to try and remember body motions. > Those drills are great on there own for developing coordination and > reaction time, but nothing beats sparring to really show you how these basic > moves work in reality. right on sister! In actual sparring, even all padded up and using soft sticks, the rush you get makes any fine motor skills go out the window (at least in my case ;) Then the repeated training of *basic basic basic* skills shows its importance. Hey Kim, we need to make time to try it out again soon...:) :) jocelyne ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:59:42 PST Subject: eskrima: Titles > Grand Pooba Ray asked ... Folks, please, get the title correct. It is Grand Poobah Ray, or His Supreme Magnificence is also acceptable for close friends. Both should be said with a slight bow to the west. :) Ray "Mr. Humility" Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Scytale Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:43:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Alternative running techniques >From: Bladewerkr@aol.com >Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 11:16:44 EST >Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #93 > >Just out of curiosity, how many on this digest practice running? I'm not >talking about jogging, or track running, but the really running. When I was a >kid, ( a rotten one I must admit) we used to steal fruit from a sidewalk >vendor. It wasn't the fruit really it was the thrill of getting away with it, >cause this big Italian would chase you and if he caught you he'd give you a >heck of a shellacking. As any LEO can tell you running on a track or beach, >etc., is a lot different from tearing off in street clothes and shoes, >scaling fences, dodging trash cans etc. I got to thinking about this several >years ago when I was taking a seminar from a very accomplished Guro who >advised us to run run and run some more when faced with a weapon. However, as >I looked around the room I realized that over half the people would be better >to stay and fight as running 2 blocks would completely wind them. Please >understand I am not throwing gauntlets down as to anyone's aerobic capacity, >I am just curious. > Be Well, > Bear Bear has a good point there. Now I need to get some friends together and practice our 'urban sprint'. It might make a good game to try and catch each other while using the environment as an obstacle. On a related topic, my wife took up jogging recently. She wanted me to jog with her, but she's a little slow for my tastes and still has to take frequent breaks (although I'm certainly no expert runner). On top of that jogging bores me to tears. So I took along my stick and when she slowed to a walk I would do some flow drills and takeoff practice with the stick. Let me tell you, it turned a short jog into a real workout. Bryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Michael Koblic" Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:43:04 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Running "I looked around the room I realized that over half the people would be better to stay and fight as running 2 blocks would completely wind them. Please understand I am not throwing gauntlets down as to anyone's aerobic capacity, I am just curious." This is a truly valid point. For us aerobically challenged semi-warriors this is definitely a part of the decision making: should I run for the 2 blocks and die tired (unless the attacker dies laughing first) or should I conserve my energy for fighting with a hope of degrading the opponent to the point where he is not going to give an effective chase. Thus it probably makes sense to run but only after a one-punch-death-kill-move. In my (very limited) experience one may not always have to run very far - just remove oneself to a more advantageous location where it is not in the attacker 's interest to press on with his intent. Mike Koblic, Quesnel BC ------------------------------ From: jblanken@ccat.sas.upenn.edu (James R. Blankenship) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:58:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: eskrima: Recommend school in Bagio? I'm going to spend about 5 weeks in Baguio City (on Luzon). I'd love to find a good place to train while I'm there. Anyone have any recommendations? I'm not picky about style, just want them to be both good, and open to an American popping in for 5 weeks. Reply to the list or to me personally. All info greatly appreciated. Jim Blankenship jblanken@ccat.sas.upenn.edu ------------------------------ From: "Kevin Davis" Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:26:15 -0500 Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #97 > >Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 15:05:23 -0800 > >Subject: eskrima: Bram Frank > > >I am a personal friend & student of Bram's & would like to nitpick a > > >little: > > > >"Guro Bram Frank, is a 5th degree Blackbelt, under Datu Shishir > >Inocalla. That promotion was granted after Mr. Frank, tested in > >the Phiippines, late last year. He also holds a 3rd degree, from > > >Professor Remy Presas, through the International Modern Arnis > > >Federation." > > Too bad that is happening to Guro Frank. He is a good man and he > Can Back up his claims to ranks that he claims with certifcates > as well as video footage of him training with some instructors. > Claims by former business partners should always be taken with > some caution. > > EBrook I originally met/trained with Bram a number of years ago in NYC at Jim Keating's training program. Very nice guy, good instructor/blade player. I attended a program of his in Orlando last week. He has designed a new knife for Spyderco the "Gunting." Interesting design and Bram can certainly play with it. Once again good guy/good instruction. From what he said, he is now the training coordinator for Spyderco. KD ------------------------------ From: Luis Pellicer III Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 10:18:49 +0800 Subject: eskrima: Mime-Version: 1.0 >Animal wrote:*****I've said it before, I'll say it again...come down to El >Segundo and SEE what >I am talking about...don't just assume you know it. This ain't Cebu City >folks, we do things differently here in the States. If you don't know the >difference, you're going to get someone killed if they ever find themselves >in the real enchilada.****** > Funny, over here we say "Can't pull that & get away with it, this isn't the States." Hmmm. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:05:18 PST Subject: eskrima: Spyderco > I originally met/trained with Bram a number of years ago in NYC at Jim > Keating's training program. Very nice guy, good instructor/blade player. I > attended a program of his in Orlando last week. He has designed a new knife > for Spyderco the "Gunting." Interesting design and Bram can certainly play > with it. Once again good guy/good instruction. From what he said, he is > now the training coordinator for Spyderco. What happened to the HwaRang Do guy that was the training director for Spyderco? At least he taught some Spyderco approved classes, dealt with using, I think, the Delica, involved grappling, etc. I spoke with him a couple of times, but can't recall his name right now. He was also a firearms instructor, which is how I ran onto him... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:06:17 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #100 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.