From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #105 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thur, 22 Feb 2001 Vol 08 : Num 105 In this issue: eskrima: longhair eskrima: Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:31:12 -0600 eskrima: San Jitsu by Grandmaster Frank Sanchez of Guam eskrima: stun N run [none] eskrima: Carrying Knife and Bolo in the Philippines eskrima: Thrilla in Quezon ? eskrima: long hair eskrima: Re: W. Michigan instructors eskrima: New Toys eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kendal Coats Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:14:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: longhair Took 12 inches off my hair this fall. It had been growing for 3 years. My decision to remove it was training related but not because of tactical disadvantage. It was a distraction, during the course of a workout it would come out of the pony tail, and get into my face, not to mention it was hot. So after a heated saturday it came off on monday, I did miss it but soon got used to it. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "HHSTM - Campbell, Eric" Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:03:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: eskrima: Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:31:12 -0600 - --Running w/your stick is a good idea, but what about the law? I'll be jogging w/mine anyway, and good idea, my Fiance is on her on time ... thanks again Eric ------------------------------ From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:37:45 EST Subject: eskrima: San Jitsu by Grandmaster Frank Sanchez of Guam Hello folks, San Jinsu is fouded by Grandmaster Frak Sanchez a Filipino decent, born in Guam, he mention to me that his father is from my town Paete, Laguna, he also, the founder also of the World Head of the Family, Worlds Grandmaster Council Hall of Fame. Now live in Jacksoville Florida. Seem to me the system is another Japanese arts that he adds some Chinese Philosophy on its. He gave 15 demosntration of arts is nice like other Jujitsu and mix with Aikido and various striking techniques. Well, visit their Website at Bushido.org/~whfsc or you can contact them in 904 745 6019 Soke Frank Sanchez. Salamat, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA << > I have been living on guam for the last 15 yrs and haven't seen San Jitsu > practiced here, although I can't say that it doesn't exist.   Do you mean ... can't say that San Jitsu exists or that it exists and isn't being taught there? I saw some videos online somewhere re: a native of Guam who developed a system with a name something like San Jitsu. Anyone know what I'm talking about or was I daydreaming?:-) If anyone knows anything about it, what's it like? Part of my curiosity is related to the Hawaiian Lua, some aspects of which were supposedly assimilated into the jujitsu system of a Japanese teacher who lived in Hawaii. Curious re: stuff from other Polynesian cultures. >> ------------------------------ From: "q" Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:54:52 -0800 Subject: eskrima: stun N run ><attacked. My >problem with it is that reliance on such things can easily lead to >overconfidence. >> > Todd, I do not mean one hit because I am so bad and get out of there. You do what you must without prejudice, as they say, and blow out of town. Staying around to witness your handywork is extremely dangerous to your health just like thinking you can box the guy into submission. AS to the emergency med stuff I am well aware. I bet none of the friends you mentioned tried to do stuff on cadavers besides trying to learn it. Yes they are stiffer but hey they aren't moving so the edge is there. Let me tell you it is really easy to do something stupid like break your ankle stepping off a lowly curb, and it is very dificult to break hyoid bones, fingers, elbows, knees, ribs, ligiments, eyes etc... Additionally, it is a lot harder than most of use think to cut flesh with a blade. Confrontational reality is real when you experience it. Everything else is just BS and I have no interest in proving anyones theory taught to me but I will listen to all that are willing to teach. The guy with the most experience and ability to teach usually gets my vote. Repeatative themes tend to get more weight as valid, just like we are all pretty sure what happens if someone points a loaded gun at you and pulls the trigger. Regards, Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S. Redondo Beach, Ca. ------------------------------ From: BOYD5755@att.net Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:09:06 +0000 Subject: [none] Nate Wrote: From: "Corley, Nathan R" Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 08:52:18 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Longhairs Quick poll - Who out there considers long hair a significant tactical disadvantage in a fight? Have you altered your own personal appearance as a result? All opinions appreciated... Nate Reply: Nate, I am sure their are many who would disagree with me but in response to your inquiry here is my humble opinion. I have been fortunate to train with several instructors whose primary focus is reality combat training. As we experimented with it we found that if we were honest and let "anything go" except eye gouges, and if we punched full or even 50%, simulated head butts and elbows, knees, biting etc., we found that hair was a major liability. Fortunately, I am bald (one of the chosen elite). It was interesting that even the younger guys that we trained with began to show up for class with a military hair cut, nothing having been said. Our training included stand up, to clinch, to ground, with and without weapons. Involved numerous styles and got pretty hard core, including loss of blood, broken bones etc. Another example is Eric Paulson's (spelling?) 1st UFC fight. That was an educational experience for everyone who watched. Same thing with Kimo's first fight. The result, next time you saw them, NO HAIR. Just my negligible opinion. Train for combat, live in peace. boyd ------------------------------ From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:10:58 EST Subject: eskrima: Carrying Knife and Bolo in the Philippines Folks, Bolo/long balded weapon in Kaluban(scabbards) on our waist back home in Philippines is no big deal really, is a force necessity, like a car in the US. We cannot go to work with out it. Well in the City of Manila, most of the people you dont see carrying knife and Bolo, They dont expose that in the City. But dont think that they dont have any of the item, knife, Balisong, labaha, ice pick, etc. with them, huh? Cuidado los senores, Filipino mucho peligroso, (be careful gentleman, those Filipino is dangerous) like you. It is old saying in the Philippines "Dont sell anything" Filipino would by it like nothing. Meaning, you dont have to say it, if you ask for trouble, trouble you got, here we come. Again just a portion of Filipino hospitality. In regards of the knife fighting, well in fair fights you see the knife right away, so you have a lots of defensive strategies, but most of the time, we dont really show you we have a knife. If we want to attack you, theres no warning what so ever, Balisong or other knife will be withdrawn and thrust or stub you with out you knowing. I guess the only way you can survive on such attack is to know how to control the blood lost, by covering the wounds and sealing the closest artery or vein where the bloods is coming from so you wont die quick. I was attack by a knife severals time, that why I want share this theory. I was in the Streefight with three man and all of sudden my right arm become heavy and then later I cannot lift my arm and punch anymore, then I realized that the knife is stuck on my forearms, I dont even know who did it from the three. Anyway I ended up fighting them with left hand and feet and knee. I able to scape from them. then I realized I was lucky, I came to think about what happem if one more of the three has knife and I didin't know about it, I would block like I did to the first attack, thinking is only a punch, its happen is a knife. huh?? From that they on everytime I fight I always concider the person equip with knife at all times, to prevent of the old svenario to happen again. I used the depensive strategies of the knife fighter in any empty hand comprontatuion, and keep them on my Lago mano range so I can see what is coming, or available attack he has and dfensive techniques I can do from there. Final off-couse counter attack as soon as the weapon are eliminated, by disarm or what ever thechniques it might be. Just my 2 cents on this one, Salamat po uli, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA << Response: Have been to the provinces, both North and South of Cebu. Have been to Luzon and a few provinces there. Have been to Dumagatie (spelled wrong) and Salomon University. Also, spent much time in the denizens of Angeles where I developed a strong appreciation for the San Miguel beer and other diversions. Regarding your point, yes farmers and fishermen would expect to carry knives and bolos. In February, we visited the province of CarCar past Pardo. A brother in law is building a small house overlooking the Pacific Ocean. Have you been to the weekly cockfights in Cebu ? Cheers, McD. >> ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:51:28 PST Subject: eskrima: Thrilla in Quezon ? I just happened to catch, again, the last 4 rounds of the October 1, 1975 fight between Ali & Frazier. The Thrilla in Manila. I never tire of watching those two great boxers test each other. I noticed that the bout was actually held in Quezon, not Manila. So I guess it was really the Thrilla in Quezon... Is Quezon a suburb of Manila? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Sam Beckett Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:28:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: long hair ///Who out there considers long hair a significant tactical disadvantage in a fight? Have you altered your own personal appearance as a result? /// In my own experience I have found that any length of hair that an opponent can get a grip on is a huge DISadvantage. Besides being suceptible to the ol' grab and yank, causing pain, loss of balance, disorientation, and possibel paralysis (death?), long hair gets into your eyes causing momentary blindness... you all know what happens then! When I got out of the military I grew my hair past shoulder length (rebellion?) and on one occasion I had a guy grab my pony tail during a not yet physical confrontation with another individual. He did not yank, and only the grip I placed on his larnyx, with the threat that it would tighten, got him to release his hold. End of confrontation... dudes friend backed off, a round of beer was ordered, and mutual respect was gained all around (these gentelman and their friends were American Samoan, and the man who grabbed my hair was their elder, I was extremely lucky!)> Another time the tables were turned and I used an attackers long hair against him, grabbing and pulling down when he rushed in head first, enabling me to utilize both knees, and my rt fist and elbow to disuade further aggression. Anything which an attacker can use to gain control, which you can control, should be eliminated. My $.02... sorry 'bout the war stories! The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in combat! Shave that dome! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Robert Klampfer" Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 19:04:03 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: W. Michigan instructors Thanks to everyone who responded to my post, both here and by email. A number of you referred to some of the same people under Hock Hochheim. I know of Hochheim, but not much about his curriculum. I've seen the ad's in the "armchair commando" magazines and, quite frankly, they make me a bit leery. Anyone care to weigh-in with any opinions or observations of Hochheim's program, methodology, etc.? Rob ------------------------------ From: "Bill Lowery" Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 00:55:26 -0000 Subject: eskrima: New Toys Hi All, Just to let you know, I now produce both Tapado sticks and aluminium training folders. Go to "labanbaston.cjb.net" and follow the links for merchandise. Cheers Bill Lowery ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:31:35 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #105 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.