From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #111 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 26 Feb 2001 Vol 08 : Num 111 In this issue: eskrima: FW: eskrima: PA area instructors eskrima: Striking vs. Joint locks eskrima: Re: hair pulling and biting Re: eskrima: FMA in Yorkshire mass debate eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #110 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #109 eskrima: Modern Arnis Seminar eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "HHSTM - Campbell, Eric" Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:32:08 -0600 Subject: eskrima: FW: > -----Original Message----- > From: HHSTM - Campbell, Eric > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 11:26 AM > To: 'eskriam@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com' > Subject: > > ---Jogging w/sticks was mentioned a week or two ago, i have'nt brought > them w/me on a jogging trip yet (residing in Houston Tx.) thinking of the > outcome, although there are several parks around. Does anyone have any > other comments i.e where to run w/them, Galveston Beach would be nice, but > damn the water looks like mudd..... > > > -Salamat for your time and input- ------------------------------ From: Sean Maguire Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:59:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: PA area instructors Dobe 1776 wrote "Is anyone aware of instructors in the central Pennsylvania area (including as far as Philadelphia and Maryland)who instruct knife defense/fighting, or who hold seminars instructing this material? Thanks for your time." Shoot me an email I can give you information on Sayoc Kali around the Philadelphia area. maguirecian@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:03:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Striking vs. Joint locks Interesting thread going on at the FMA forum at Blade Forums. The link is: http://www.bladeforums.com/ubb/Forum34/HTML/000595.html Here is the original question: - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RL writes: Striking versus Joint-Locks. There is currently a heated controversy on my PerfectWeapon list on yahoogroups.com about the effectiveness of striking/thrusting with the Cane/Stick versus various types of controlling/locking/chin-na type techniques. The opinions on both sides are strong and somewhat heated. At one end of the spectrum, thekuntawman (Maurice Gatdula) states, "These type of moves work best on an opponent who is already dead or knocked out!" At the other end of the disagreement, another person says, "If you are in a situation where a controlling technique is needed and you don't know how to do it in a fighting situation, then you have just painted yourself into a corner." My belief at my current level of training and knowledge prompts me to say, "If the joint locks (pretzel moves) are reputedly so darn good then why haven't even one of the Dog Brothers video-taped fights been won by using one or more of these techniques?" I realize that there is a time and a place for techniques that control, rather than all out mayhem. I realize that no one here would crush Uncle Bob's head at the family reunion for getting too rowdy. But, if someone is trying to put your lights out with a pool cue, broken beer bottle, knife, etc., would you use impact techniques, or would you choose some type of "lock'em up" moves? Keep in mind that I am talking about *fighting* with sticks/canes when the adrenalin is flowing. I would very much appreciate the opinions of those who actually fight with sticks. Here was my reply: I think Don makes some good points worth thinking about in his first post. Though the debate echos in my mind, I'm still placing my money on the way we train though. In the stickfights that I've been in, I've never used much of the standard traditional trapping or tie ups/joint manips that is commonly taught, however I have worked a version of the tie up under real situations. It is easier to do it to a first time stickfighter obviously, but i train to do it against whoever I fight. Again it isn't done in the way it is traditionally taught, but certain things can be done. Joint locks and the likes, I have never seen done in the manner that I have seen them taught. It would seem that there are techniques that work when sparring in the ring and facing off, than there are things that will work when someone is wstanding in front of you and pulls back to swing, etc., etc., than there are those where it's WTF!?!? In my experience, I feel that the 'techniques' from the sparring sessions would be more adaptable to the self defense situations where the self defense techs may not work so well in reverse. While I have always advocated exploration and the use of sparring to try and implement your techniques or new "stuff", there is only so much that one can see in that context of sparring and watching the tapes of the fights before one says, OK, that's not working for me. On the other spectrum, I do see where 'self-defense' techniques and training has to come in. I have disarmed a friend in a bar before, and I am glad that he was a friend and that my job was to make sure he didn't kill the OTHER guy and not me. I did use a technical disarm, so I'm glad that I have trained that. The way I see it though, is that there is so much out there, I would rather practice and perfect the higher percentage moves from the sparring context, than work my way back towards efficent self-defense techs before going into all of it. I still stick to my gun though, that someone that spars and trains to spar would be more likely to be able to pull his techs off on the street with a little adaption than vice versa. The disadvantage to duelling and facing off though can be that the guys spend too much time "squaring off". Of course, in a duelling situation, both parties are usually competent and respect the pain that can be inflicted on each other. On the street, you will most likely be dealing with someone that has absolutely no care for his own life, let alone yours. This could cause the duelist to be caught off guard by "unrealistic attacks" or something to the like, but I think that if someone spars with enough different people one could push his training limit to a higher level. Well, just some thoughts on the subject. Would have replied earlier...(as this is one of my favorite subjects)...but I just moved and my phone line has only been connected today. END There are about two pages of discussion on the topic...check it out. A nice discussion going on there, maybe we could bring it back here. ===== Chad chad@fullcontacthi.com Full Contact Stickfighting Hawaii http://www.fullcontacthi.com http://www.egroups.com/group/stickfighting __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:13:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Re: hair pulling and biting Got to roll yesterday including the biting on clothed areas and hair pulling. The hair as fair game didn't make much of a difference, but the biting most certainly does make a difference in "acceptable" positioning. Even though biting was only "allowed" on clothed areas, the mindset was that anything could be bit, so even chokes were cautious as the hands could be fair game on the street. ===== Chad chad@fullcontacthi.com Full Contact Stickfighting Hawaii http://www.fullcontacthi.com http://www.egroups.com/group/stickfighting __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Bill Lowery" Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:08:09 -0000 Subject: Re: eskrima: FMA in Yorkshire mass debate Pat Wrote: >Thank you Bill Corrected on the geography count! The request asked however for people that I could recommend. Richy is hosting marc McFann on Thursday before he moves to Hull on Friday. This is after I host Sifu McFann on Tuesday in Snowbound Aberdeen.< Good point Pat. yep, I'd agree, Richy is one to recommend. As for Marc McFann...Dammit I still don't know. Every time he's anywhere near to Newcastle something comes up and I cannot get to train with the guy. This time he's doing an evening class at Richy's and I'm working evening!!!! One day, oh yes, one day.... >pat Geez, really? I could have sworn it was only four and a half hours! Bill ------------------------------ From: "Jeff Allen" Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:51:01 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #110 Chad, Here's my "basic" answer to the question when it's asked of me: "Basics are anything that you know. Advanced is anything that you don't know." It depends on the practioner, their background, and their ability to pick up information. It's really an unaswerable questions. This answer is the same for any field of study. I tell my grad. students the same thing that I tell the martial arts students. Keep training, in the advance and basic techniques.... Jeff drjeffallen@home.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - BASICS: Chad asked: "what do the e-digesters consider to be basics in: Single Stick Double Stick Single Knife Empty Hand In your own respective areas that you train. What would one consider to be the basics? The advanced? The difference between the two, the reasons they are taught differently, etc. " ------------------------------ From: Justo370@aol.com Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:19:40 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #109 Regarding knife-fighting instruction, try contacting Mr. John Jacobo of Bakbakan Kali Ilustrisimo in Maryland. He is an excellent martial artist, great teacher and humble gentleman. His email address is bakbakan@aol.com "From: Dobe Snyder Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 19:43:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Knife Fighting Instructors/Instructors Is anyone aware of instructors in the central Pennsylvania area (including as far as Philadelphia and Maryland)who instruct knife defense/fighting, or who hold seminars instructing this material? Thanks for your time." ------------------------------ From: szorn@webtv.net (S ZORN) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:44:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: eskrima: Modern Arnis Seminar For anyone in the northcentral or eastern Indiana area, or more specifically the Fort Wayne, Indiana area- Master Chuck Guass of Modern Arnis will be holding a one day Modern Arnis seminar on Saturday March 17th. The seminar will be held at the Shark Academy 5331 Keystone Dr. Ft. Wayne, In 46825 (219) 484-9023 You can contact them for times and prices. Steve ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:44:50 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #111 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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