From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #118 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 6 March 2001 Vol 08 : Num 118 In this issue: eskrima: Michael Milazzo's Armor Question eskrima: Trench Coat eskrima: Re: armor and range eskrima: RE: Dayaks eskrima: RE frist aid Knife wounds.....Slashing and Stabing Re: eskrima: armor Re: eskrima: armor eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAHLDP@aol.com Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 21:59:09 EST Subject: eskrima: Michael Milazzo's Armor Question I recently attended Animal's very interesting El Segundo seminar and I expect that if he has time to respond to your question, he (and others with street experience, unlike me) will tell you that your time assumption is probably not reasonable. With regard to the armor value of your leather coat, I have seen Lynn Thompson, President of Cold Steel, demonstrate how his folding knives will slice effortlessly through such material. However, if the aggressor has a knife that is duller than Lynn's products, the coat will probably provide at least some measure of protection. Hatch Gloves, a well-regarded manufacturer of police protective equipment (www.hatch-gloves.com) makes cut-resistant kevlar and spectra sleeves, gloves, etc. The sleeves may not be practical for civilians, but the lined gloves are very comfortable for everyday wear. Check out their model FM3500. Although this response is not directly on point, I hope the information is at least somewhat useful. Dave Dahl (DAHLDP@AOL.Com) ------------------------------ From: "Kevin Black" Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 03:31:03 Subject: eskrima: Trench Coat Mike - A guy your size should just scowl. That should be enough self-defense. Kevin Black shillelagh2@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 23:40:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Re: armor and range >>I also carry a knife. If it actually came down to having to utilize >>this weapon against an attacker who is armed with a similar weapon my >>trench serves as suitable armor; however, my range of motion is >>drastically reduced with it on. Hi, Mike. We don't wear jackets like that in Hawaii. :) How limited is your range of motion? How thick is your jacket? Is it buttoned up all the way? If it is thick, it would be a cool armor to train with. It would definitely be a nice training aid that someone could could close in fast and not have to worry about a small margin of error. Of course, don't take that statement out of contex, but you know what I mean. Are you considering your range of motion hampered in attacking or defending? It kind of brings up another question. How many of you stand at long range with someone reaching their weapon out towards your head, and realize that even though their head and body is at long range, their hand and arm is a medium to close range? ===== Chad chad@fullcontacthi.com Full Contact Stickfighting Hawaii http://www.fullcontacthi.com http://www.egroups.com/group/stickfighting __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "S. H. Wee" Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 12:32:06 +0800 Subject: eskrima: RE: Dayaks Dear Mike, I do not agreed with the book. Majority of the Dayaks have already been modernised long before 1970s, in fact hundreds of them already doing their post-graduate studies in US and other European Universities by that time. The modernisation of the Dayaks was largely due to the efforts of The White Rajahs -- the Brookes' family who used to rule Sarawak and the Christian missionary. Most of them are devoted Catholics and have ceased head-hunting practise long before second world war. The last time the Council of the Chiefs called for headhunting open season was during the Japanese occupation. The Dayaks are not savages nor cannibals, contrarily to Marc's L. A. Times report, they do not consume human flesh except for a few primitive tribes that consume their dead relatives with the belief that by doing this their spirits will always be with the family. In the old days, headhunting is part of the rite of passage into adulthood for every male Dayaks. For a Dayak to be considered a man, he must kill his first enemy and collect his head. The more heads he collected, the greater his status in the village and more ladies will go after him. However, they are strictly forbidden to kill women and children which is considered a cowardly act, and they certainly do not eat their victims. The current incident at Kalimantan is largely due to the result of the pent-up anger of the Dayaks after decades of watching their native land being encroached by outsiders without their permission and political manoeuvres of certain parties who do not like the current Indonesian president. Both the Dayaks and Madureses are merely pawns in a bigger game of power struggle. I would be glad to get more first hand information from my Dayak friends if you are interested in their cultures. Sincerely, S. H. Wee Borneo shinhoe@pc.jaring.my > From: Mike Casto > Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 12:12:02 -0600 > Subject: eskrima: RE: Dayaks > > A tangent to the news article posted by Marc. If anyone is curious about > more details about the Dayak tribe, there's a great book called "My Life > With The Headhunters" By Wyn Sargent. It was written by an American > journalist who lived with the Dayak tribes for a while in the early '70s. It > was, in fact, largely due to her efforts that a lot of the Dayaks today are > "modernized." > > It's a good read and very interesting. > > Mike ------------------------------ From: "Johnaleen" Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 03:27:42 -0500 Subject: eskrima: RE frist aid Knife wounds.....Slashing and Stabing Knife wounds.....Slashing and Stabbing The damage done by knife wounds depends on the kind of wound and the structures affected. A slash wound to the arm, would cause bleeding and possible muscle, nerve or tendon damage. For emergency treatment in the field, bleeding would be controlled by use of direct pressure on the wound itself .Once in the ER, if only the muscle and skin were affected, the blood vessels would be tied off or cauterized to stop the bleeding, and the skin sutured shut with silk, nylon or teflon sutures. Tendon and nerve damage would necessitate surgery, with not always perfect results. The same slash wound across the throat, however, would sever the carotid arteries, the jugular veins and possibly the trachea, causing death within a minute or two. Slash wounds, except to the neck or other areas where the major vessels lie close to the surface of the skin, usually do not cause death. Crosswise cuts on the wrist do little other than to cause irreparable tendon and nerve damage, if anything. The artery lies deeper than most people are willing to cut. And even bleeding from the radial artery in the wrist would not cause death within a few minutes. Knives can also make stab or puncture wounds. These tend to bleed less externally than internally. If the knife is still in the wound when the paramedics arrive, it is treated like any other impaled object. It is not removed, but rather taped and braced so that it cannot come out accidentally. The reason for this is that impaled objects do enough damage on their way into the body - they can do even more on the way out. In addition, the impaled object left in place often helps to minimize amount of bleeding. It would not be removed until the victim was in the operating room. There, the surgeons would carefully remove the object as non-traumatically as possible and repair any damage immediately. Ms. J... Bows Deeply... Hope that helps some... Ms. Johnaleen Castro CEO/F.A.T.E. 1-888-526-4626 Victims Program Facilitating Awareness Through Empowerment FATE@f-a-t-e.org www.f-a-t-e.org ------------------------------ From: Steve Klement Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 01:53:26 -0500 Subject: Re: eskrima: armor Hi Mike - I think you might be giving the trench coat more credit than it is due as far as protection goes. On one hand - yes it is at least "something" between you and an edged weapon but I believe it can quickly lead to a major false sense of security. Of any typical trench coats I have seen over the years, I have never recognized one that will eat a slash well or worse yet a stab from an expert (expert in this case means anyone that wants to kill you, has an edged weapon and has seen the movie Psycho). With that said - to the point of your question... It all depends on whether you are playing attacker or defender really but in consideration of how weak this "armor" is, I would think to go with the better range of motion. Regards, - -- Steve Klement Masirib Guro (865) 673-8160 inayan@bellsouth.net Inayan Systems International > From: "Michael Milazzo" > Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 20:30:35 -0500 > Subject: eskrima: armor > > I have a question: > I own a leather trench coat which I wear throughout the winter season. > I also carry a knife. If it actually came down to having to utilize this > weapon against an attacker who is armed with a similar weapon my trench > serves as suitable armor; however, my range of motion is drastically reduced > with it on. The question is: do I lose the trench in favor of better > motion, or do I keep the "armor" and deal with a lack of mobility? Please > assume that if I drop the trench, it is only because I feel certain that I > have adequate time to do so without making myself vulnerable. I look > forward to hearing your response. > > -- Mike ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 8:09:25 PST Subject: Re: eskrima: armor > I own a leather trench coat which I wear throughout the winter season. > I also carry a knife. If it actually came down to having to utilize this > weapon against an attacker who is armed with a similar weapon my trench > serves as suitable armor; That must be one very heavy leather coat. Perhaps lined with Kevlar? :) Seriously, I doubt it will be of much good against a stab/thrust of any type. > however, my range of motion is drastically reduced > with it on. The question is: do I lose the trench in favor of better > motion, or do I keep the "armor" and deal with a lack of mobility? Train with it on several times to see how restrictive it is. If it doesn't bother you it is probably better to leave it on. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 8:10:59 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #118 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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