From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #119 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 6 March 2001 Vol 08 : Num 119 In this issue: eskrima: RE: Treach Coat eskrima: Inayan Training Camp Announcement eskrima: Armour eskrima: Borneo+ eskrima: RE: Mike's Armor... eskrima: Kicking heavy bags eskrima: Ray's surgery eskrima: Re: Knife Wounds eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeremy Bays" Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 11:05:03 -0500 Subject: eskrima: RE: Treach Coat What many people are forgetting is that the coat itself can be used as a weapon. It can be wrapped around one hand and used as a shield, or used as a flexible weapon, or as a net. Most of the leather coats I have seen have a belt that can be quickly accessed in the event of an emergency and used as a rope or cord to bind and tie the attacker. I think most of the people on this list are giving the 2-3" blade a little more credit then it deserves. Sure there are great knives on the market that can cut through metal and then slice a tomato (can you say Ginzu?), but most punks use a cheap "swapmeet special" that they picked up for under ten dollars. A small knife like this would have a hard time cutting through a leather coat and then through flesh. Remember, in a knife fight you WILL BE CUT. The difference is how badly you are cut. Are you able to continue fighting? Are you able to walk away? If the coat offers that much protection, then use it. Thanks Jeremy Bays > I own a leather trench coat which I wear throughout the winter season. > I also carry a knife. If it actually came down to having to utilize this > weapon against an attacker who is armed with a similar weapon my trench > serves as suitable armor; ------------------------------ From: "Michael Barnes" Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 12:00:42 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Inayan Training Camp Announcement Inayan Systems International will be hosting a Spring training camp in Knoxville, TN in April. The six day event will cover all aspects of Inayan Eskrima focusing on Serrada, Kadena de Mano and Largo Mano from basic to advanced. Private lessons and small workshops will be held during the morning and afternoon while the classes will be held from 6pm - 10pm nightly Mon. - Fri. One morning class will be held from 10am - 12pm on Sat. The bulk of the Instruction will be conducted by Masirib Guro Steve Klement. Dates: April 23rd - 28th Cost: $50 per day, $250 pre-registration (6 days), $300 at the door (6 days) Pre-payment must be received by April 10th. For more information, please contact me direct at: mbarnes@nxs.net Please make checks out to and send payment to: Michael Barnes 260 Fort Sanders West Blvd Suite 200 Knoxville, TN 37922 ------------------------------ From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 12:45:53 EST Subject: eskrima: Armour In a message dated 3/6/01 8:49:08 AM Mountain Standard Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << If it actually came down to having to utilize this > weapon against an attacker who is armed with a similar weapon my trench > serves as suitable armor; however, my range of motion is drastically reduced > with it on. The question is: do I lose the trench in favor of better > motion, or do I keep the "armor" and deal with a lack of mobility? >> Before I start, just a bit of trivia. Among historians and recreationists a differentiation is commonly made between armour and armor. Armour is what you wear on your body and use to keep people from placing objects in your precious body. Armor is those air conditioned thingies that you ride around in and use to drop shells on people who have pissed your bosses off lately. Just a fun little bit of info to help you kick ass in Trivial Pursuits. As for your U-Boat Captain's jacket limiting mobility. Number one I am a big fan of armour. In fact, the best summation of it's purpose was put rather succinctly in a conversation I once heard... If all of these things can get through armour, what good is it? It covers your mistakes... Your armour itself won't do the job for you. It is a supliment... all be it a really nice one. It won't work against a full dedicated thrust against one of Lynn's blades (then again I'd have to think really hard to find something that would). Your main area of defense however needs to be your footwork. It is your little feet going pitty pat that will carry you out of danger. By moving your body away from the blow you significantly reduce its power. Now if you don't happen to do it fast enough, that is where the armour comes in. (BTW you can also strengthen your armour's defense by sewing in an extra layer of leather inside to act as an enforced vanguard covering your forearms. Added protection against slashes and it doesn't destroy the line/look of the coat. Number two, it is only if you insist on thinking of fighting as an arm issue that such clothing will limit your mobility. Tell me truthfully, how does that jacket limit your ability to do footwork? If you are being attacked by a blade your first priority NEEDS to be to get out of the way of the attack in one way or the other (trust me on this one, that priority, which may not be so apparent in training, becomes real obvious when you are attacked by a knifer). There is no arguing that the jacket does indeed limit your arm motion, but there are still areas that you can move without hinderence. If you reposition your body so those areas are availible to bring grief to your attacker, that doesn't matter. The answer to the mobility problem is found in footwork. Not standing there and trying to make your hands/arms do all the work. ------------------------------ From: kalkiusa@netscape.net (Mikal Keenan) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 13:14:14 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Borneo+ > The Dayaks are not savages nor cannibals ... > ... they do not consume human flesh except > for a few primitive tribes that consume > their dead relatives with the belief that > by doing this their spirits will always > be with the family. In Borneo the described practice led to frequent occurence of a disease which would further increase the family death count. They ate the dead relatives' brains which contained deadly disease-causing virusses. Virusses hang out in the central nervous system (brain, spinal cord) "forever". This is true of many virusses, not just herpes virusses. Trivia: It has been proven that people who use plants for protein sources have stronger bones and connective tissue than those who use animal flesh. How'bout dat? What does it suggest for us (along with all the noise about the ill-effects of using "non-plant" food sources ;-)? Mitakeyu Oyasin, Mik __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ From: Chris McWethy Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 13:38:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: eskrima: RE: Mike's Armor... Mike, Here's my 2-cents on the subject. Since I too carry a blade (as do all my eskrima brothers) and I wear a leather bomber jacket (although I wouldn't qualify that as armor or even a reasonable facsimile), there are a couple of things I would put out there as food for thought. First is the person who cuts first usually wins the fight because most people don't want to risk permanent injury or unsightly scarring. Second is if you're wearing a jacket that thick and durable there are 2 things to think about...can you move enough to make your "armor" functional and to your advantage and is it a nice jacket and do you want it damaged? If the leather is thick and durable enough to withstand heavy slashing and you can move enough to be semi-competent as a combatant then I say use it to your advantage as a means of fouling and or blocking your attackers weapon allowing you a closer look at his open and vulnerable sides. That's pretty much all I have as input on the subject...personaly I'd take speed and maneuverability over being heavily clad in restrictive armor and padding. Respectfully, Chris McWethy ISI/IFE - ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com ------------------------------ From: Ed Lam Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 10:55:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Kicking heavy bags Hello, At age 34, I must be getting old. Been whacking heavy bags since I was 15. However, over the last year, I begin to have ankle and knee injuries from kicking heavy bags. Am I just getting old or are kicking heavy bags just not a great idea? I mean, we all wrap our hands when we punch the bag, but we leave our ankles unprotected when kicking the bag. Not too smart, are we? Opinions? Thanks. Ed __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 11:52:19 PST Subject: eskrima: Ray's surgery Just a short note to explain what happened to me last week. A few of ya'll knew what was going on, but I didn't explain it to everyone. Last Wedensday, February 28, I underwent a 3 hour surgery called a Laparoscopic Nissen Fundoplication. Given it is laparoscopic it is far less evasive than an 'open' procedure, thus I'm already back at home, up and about, and should be able to get back to work and training shortly. In this procedure a part of the stomach is wrapped around the lower end of the esophagus to help create a better valve action between the stomach and the esophagus (mine has been shot for several years causing GERD and Barret's [sp?] esophagus). I'm on a puree-ed diet for another week or so. That and the fact that it is very 'special' to cough or sneeze right now are the only problems. Thanks to everyone for your get well msgs, they were much appreciated. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Stephen Lamade" Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 04:50:32 Subject: eskrima: Re: Knife Wounds Here are a few suggestions that I offer "for educational purposes only." I will assume that you are referring to emergency first aid and/or a situation where a visit to the doctor is not possible. Of course, you won't be able to reattach blood vessels and tendons, etc. - Kids, don't try this at home. Stopping the bleeding and keeping the wound clean would be the first order of business. Yunan Bai Yao, a propriatory Chinese herbal formula, has been traditionally used for traumatic wounds (and was issued to the North Vietnamese by China for field first-aid kits during the Vietnam War) for this reason. Once this is accomplished you'll need to stitch the wound together. Use a sterile needle AND sterile thread. At this point, there are poultices and herbal soaks that help clear away necrotic tissue and foster new tissue growth. Bob Flaws' "Shaolin Training Formulas" may be helpful here. Once the wound is closed and a keltoid formed, pure pearl powder mixed with lemon juice is applied to aid the healing process. Royal Jade Cream, is also used at a later stage to heal the skin. Acupuncture is very useful in healing wounds and treating scars. The police training video, "Surviving Edged Weapons" depicts knife wounds realistically. To repeat: Stopping the bleeding immediately and going to a hospital is always your best bet. Regards, Steve Lamade Instructor, San Miguel Eskrima _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 12:17:56 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #119 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.