From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #120 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 6 March 2001 Vol 08 : Num 120 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #119 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #119 eskrima: Heavy Bags eskrima: Re: Knife wounds eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #119 eskrima: Trench coats as armor eskrima: GM R. Estalilla eskrima: Re: Knife Wounds eskrima: RE: Treach Coat Re: eskrima: RE: Treach Coat eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Badger Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 16:07:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #119 Regarding "getting cut" in a minor mugging sitch, when I was living the 'life' back in the 70s (being a hardcore FMA) , I carried a pair of fish cleaning kevlar gloves with longish cuffs for added protection if I ever had to use my blade. Dumb idea, but thought it would bring a chuckle outta the 'old-timers'. Tell my none of you guy never thought of that. Now, being semi-retired, I don't 'carry', preferring to cause would-be muggers to fall down on the floor laughing while I hobble across the street with my cane, and long white beard! Well, maybe I'll do a 'steel ruler' and 'laser pointer' espada y daga move now and then, hehe. - -Badger ___ Arnis Lastra, Arnis Lanada baj7dvirginia[dot]edu ------------------------------ From: Todd Ellner Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 13:31:15 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #119 > In Borneo the described practice led to frequent occurence of a disease which > would further increase the family death count. They ate the dead relatives' > brains which contained deadly disease-causing virusses. Virusses hang out in > the central nervous system (brain, spinal cord) "forever". This is true of > many virusses, not just herpes virusses. The disease is called "kuru". It's actually not that common on Kalimantan. It's more more often seen in parts of New Guinea. > Trivia: It has been proven that people who use plants for protein sources > have stronger bones and connective tissue than those who use animal flesh. > How'bout dat? What does it suggest for us (along with all the noise about the > ill-effects of using "non-plant" food sources ;-)? Umm, I don't think it's been "proven". Not by a good country mile. Some evidence (other than vegan recruitment literature) would be much appreciated. In fact, if you remove all meat, eggs, and dairy from your diet you have to work a lot harder to get complete protein and fat soluble vitamins. ------------------------------ From: kalkiusa@netscape.net (Mikal Keenan) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 16:35:16 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Heavy Bags At 49 I still spend hours each week (no brag) slamming a 6 foot bag. Sometimes I bruise a vessel on one instep or another, but that's the gist of my bag-bashing adventures. I wrap both hands and feet ... put a few layers of pre-wrap across the instep and in figure eights around the feet and ankles. Then on goes the training shoes/wrestling shoes. Kicking the low end of the bag can be like hitting concrete one in awhile ... this can help shift emphasis away from striking with the instep to just above the instep (ankle) and shin ... I call it "baseball bat" kicking. Another way to decrease potential damage is to use the 70% rule. For repeated efforts in training, train at 70% max exertion. This way you can practice repetitions for training effect without loss of "form" and with less chance of injury. In addition, if you're in the hard bag mindset, lose it. IMHO, better to have a resilient bag so that you can hit it as hard as you want as many times as you want anyway t! hat you want to hit/kick it. A hard bag hurts the hitter ... diminishing returns. I once got laughed at for using a water bag about 20 years ago ... then a FMA notable suggested that the laughers check out the use of water-filled bags in training :-) I now include a 200 lb water-filled bag in my "fun time" antics. It ain't no slouch ... it's easier for me to push my 6 foot bag (about 125 lbs) around than the smaller water-filled one. There are a lot of new striking bag "technologies" around: gel-covered, water-air mixture, etc. I'd check some of these options out. For myself, I see absolutely no benefit to striking basg that I could not hit full force without protection. If I can hit it full force without protection, then I can protect the wrists from fexion/extension on impact and protect the knuckles from abrasion and have at it ... and, oh yeah ... protect the instep from impacts. Figure 8s around the foot/ankle also prevent excess plantar flexion of the ankle on ! impact, e.g., roundhouse kick, toes pointed. Hope that helps. Mitakeyu Oyasin, Mik __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ From: Todd Ellner Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 13:36:52 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Knife wounds One of the best pieces of training I got from my first Silat teacher was to always carry a field dressing. It's a nice $1 insurance policy. We gentlemen might get odd looks for carrying around a piece of military first aid equipment. But you ladies out there have a convenient a better option. A sanitary pad is sterile, absorbent, and just the right size as an improvised bandage. ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 14:28:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #119 > I think most of the people on this list are giving the 2-3" blade a > little more credit then it deserves. I don't think a 3 or 4 inch blade could easily stab someone fatally at a distance, and we are presuming that Mike has decent to competent knife protection skills. I'm sure Mike didn't say armor meaning he would stand there and take the stab. > Remember, in a knife fight you > WILL BE > CUT. The difference is how badly you are cut. Are you able to > continue > fighting? Are you able to walk away? If the coat offers that much > protection, then use it. Something that Marc McYoung said on another forum (Bladeforums) got me to thinking and start actually training realistic knife protection. I won't do the injustice to try and re-phrase what he said, but maybe he could jump in if anyone was interested in hearing it from him. On the street, I will never knife fight. I have came across this decision by having my training partner rush to attack and stab me with an aluminum dagger, me with nothing, and then me equally armed. I still enjoy sport knife sparring with the aluminum dagger and still feel it to be realistic when training for that setting, but on the street, your attacker will most likely not respect you, your knife, your FMA traiing, or care about his own well being. That changes the game alot. Anyway...on we go... > If all of these things can get through armour, what good is it? > It covers your mistakes... It could cover your knife tap entry to something else against slices that may have cut you without any armour on. > Your armour itself won't do the job for you. It is a supliment... all > be it a > really nice one. It won't work against a full dedicated thrust > against one of > Lynn's blades (then again I'd have to think really hard to find > something > that would). It's a suppliment...nice way of putting it. > Number two, it is only if you insist on thinking of fighting as an > arm issue that such clothing will limit your mobility. Tell me > truthfully, how does that jacket limit your ability to do footwork? > There is no arguing that the jacket does indeed limit your > arm > motion, but there are still areas that you can move without > hinderence. Which is the point of understanding ranges and re-categorizing what one considers as ranges. The distance betweed me and you, or the distance between my knife and your extended arm. ===== Chad chad@fullcontacthi.com Full Contact Stickfighting Hawaii http://www.fullcontacthi.com http://www.egroups.com/group/stickfighting __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Parad1gm (not my real name)" Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 17:01:30 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Trench coats as armor I'm not sure how thick your leather is, but the most armor-like coat I have ever seen is a gray Russian naval coat made of HEAVY wool. I found a whole rack of them one day at an Army-Navy surplus store in LA of all places. Several times I've slashed at it with pretty sharp knives and the wool has turned/absorbed the force well enough to leave no visible marks. On the other hand, it's heavy (especially when wet), restricts motion some, and is highly susceptible to grabbing (big lapels and a wierd loop thing at the small fo the back). Under no circustances would I trust oit to stop a stab. I'd certainly rather fight without it than with it. Cory ========================================= Learn everything you can. Use everything that works. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 15:20:02 -0800 Subject: eskrima: GM R. Estalilla A Howl of Greeting: My contact information for GM Ramiro Estalilla seems to be out of date. Would anyone who has contact information for me for him please get e-mail or call me at 310-543-7521. This is a 24 hour number. Thank you, Crafty Dog ------------------------------ From: rudolf@kimbel.net Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 00:31:00 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Re: Knife Wounds I read that the SAS carries tampons (the ones used by women once in a while) along to stick into chest wounds. Might also be good for Stabs, but I'm no medic, any comments? Rudolf. ------------------------------ From: rudolf@kimbel.net Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 00:30:59 +0100 Subject: eskrima: RE: Treach Coat Sorry, I can't believe how many poeple even consider being able to take off a coat when they're attacked by a knifer. What else, tell some lady you love her, take off your t-shirt too? Are you in hollywood? I'll be glad if I even see the knife, even happier if I can either run fast or somehow get my knife. If someone were stupid enough to stand still and watch while you take off your coat, you should say 'good-bye' and calmly walk away. As to kevlar or spectra, both do NOT protect against knives, they're for bullets. Stab proof vests have other material added. Rudolf. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 16:17:08 PST Subject: Re: eskrima: RE: Treach Coat > As to kevlar or spectra, both do NOT protect against knives, they're > for bullets. Stab proof vests have other material added. Granted, however, from my tests kevlar does protect a bit from slashes. Not much from stabbing, but there is added protection from slashes. 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