From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #140 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sat, 17 March 2001 Vol 08 : Num 140 In this issue: eskrima: GM Estalilla Kabaroan Seminar May 26 eskrima: Pad training eskrima: new website eskrima: Sparring eskrima: Dan's book and Black Seminoles eskrima: California Knife Laws Re: eskrima: California Knife Laws eskrima: Re: sparring eskrima: re: How soon do you like students to spar? eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. 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The weapon system will be taught in its three basic components: 1) Single Weaponry (Bambolia & Sencilla) 2) Double Weaponry (Compuesta) 3) Long Range weaponry, Come join the Thunder Center in this rare opportunity to learn the Filipino Martial Art of Kabaroan Eskrima from Grandmaster Ramiro Estalilla Jr. For more information please contact Ron Reekers at (714)435-0825 "Kabaroan is taught in the context of Philippine history and culture. A cultural approach to the Filipino Martial Arts humanizes the arts, civilizes the artist and refines the system." ------------------------------ From: "jkdc1" Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 12:00:15 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Pad training Hi, Last week, I tried using some old taped up focus mitts to feed the knife. Never trained this before, but thought it might be a good way for the newer knife player to learn how to move with the knife. Worked pretty good... I just fed different angles with the pads and had the trainee react with a corresponding attack. How many of you "guys" make use of pads to train different weapons? Tips and comments would be appreciated! ~Kev ------------------------------ From: "steven drape" Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 00:55:56 +0800 Subject: eskrima: new website Just a note to the list- We now have a new website. We have used some better software and now have our own domain name to make a more professional-looking site. We have updated our material and added some new pictures and information. I hope everyone will check it out, sign our guest book and give us some comments. For those of you with websites, please check out our logo page, and consider sending us your logo to add to our links page. Steven Drape http://kbs-filipino-martial-systems.org - -- _______________________________________________ FREE Internet Email for the Martial Arts! Kung Fu Online http://www.kungfuonline.com Powered by Instant Portal ------------------------------ From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 16:55:46 EST Subject: eskrima: Sparring Tom, << >> Now if anyone is interested in thread on sparring I would be interested in peoples opinions on I am interested to talk about sparring. >> How soon do you like students to spar ? Biginner: I prefer all of my student to spar in their first lesson, after learning how to swing the stick, so they learn first hand how to face their fear. You can used a 3/4X28 stick and neon straw that thye used for water floatation, cut the straw about 20 inches and insert the stick to the straw. It will give you a very nice homemade biggener sparring stick. You can buy this neon straw in any K-mart store only $1.89. Internidiate: They used the 3/4X28 stick with a black/grey foam insulator for aircondition that you can buy it from Home Depot. Its like the first stick, insert the stick to the foam, it will give you a good cushion to the stick. Again its cheap, tape it with electrical tape around to secure the foam. This type is still hard, it will caused bruise, but definitely you would learn how to respect the weapon after few heat. Advance: 3/4X28 rattan stick >>How much contact ? Biginner:Full contact no protection only the bulky stick that you made. Intermidiate: Full contact no protection only the cushion and your skills. Advance: Full contact no protection, only your skills. >> What techniques will you allow ? Biginner: everything you know. Intermidiate: everything you know. Advance: everything you know except no trusting to the eye/ no biting. >> How much equipment ? None, that will give you false confident. >> Do you make a special sparring class or is it part of a regular class ? Part of regular calss and especial day. >> anyone ever try sparring with minimal equipment using wiffleball bats for stick ( I know it sounds crazy but it seems to give students a healthy respect for the weapon without a great risk of injury ) This is sound fun, alot of fun, just be carefull and practice more than you doing now. Pratice what is work not what pretty looking drills. Remember Sparring is a mental game and physical test. Take the the blow against you as part of your learning experince. Never feel bad that you loose from your match, practice hard next time so you can get even and learn more. Sparring is healthy session for your student and to you. Okay hope you enjoy your sparring session. Gumagalang/with respect, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Reseach Center USA ------------------------------ From: "hudginsg" Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 17:39:02 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Dan's book and Black Seminoles > Mik: I hope something germane to the question you raised resides within > this long winded screed. To everyone else: I apologize for my fondness > of polysyllabic tangents. > > Regards, > > Buz Grover Buz, don't apologize. It is this interesting type of information that makes this digest the only digest I keep up with. Reading Buz's post, I thought of something which has probably been covered before. How many of your train or have training drills where you buddy fight/train. 2 on 3 or 2 on 2 or 2 on many as a way to train. Next tidbit. Today Dan's book was going for $104 on ebay. Makes me wonder how much my signed copy would be worth. Sorry, just curious, don't really want to sell it. Gary H. ------------------------------ From: DAHLDP@aol.com Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 18:20:42 EST Subject: eskrima: California Knife Laws I would like to offer an addition to Ray Langley's excellent description of California knife law. Ray's summary appears to be based upon state law, which is clearly the first source one should look at. However, one should also check for laws at the city and county levels. For example, Los Angeles County and the City of Los Angeles have parallel knife laws in the County Code and the City Municipal Code. If you would like to review them (or a number of other local codes) check http://library.csun.edu/mfinley/lagov.html. Chapter V, Article 5, Section 55.10 of the LA City Code prohibits one from wearing or carrying in plain view (in a public place) a knife with a blade of 3 or more inches. It includes ice picks or similar sharp tools. There are exceptions for occupational and recreational knife uses. There is no discussion of whether carrying a folding knife by its pocket clip constitutes carrying in plain view. Although the local laws appear to apply only to carrying a knife in plain view, officers with whom I have spoken generally interpret the laws to include both concealed and "pocket clipped" folding knives. Therefore, they tend to believe that there is a 2.99 inch limit for all knives carried within the county/city, whether visible or concealed. I have not done any research to determine whether the courts have addressed this question or whether there are any opinions from the City Attorney or County Counsel. However, even if one prevails after being arrested with a concealed folder of 3 or more inches in blade length, one may still have to expend a considerable sum on attorney's fees to achieve that victory. As a result, unless I can find some authority that exempts concealed or pocket clipped folders from the city/county restriction to blades under 3 inches, I'll probably limit myself to that blade length. Dave Dahl (DAHLDP@AOL.Com) ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 16:13:01 PST Subject: Re: eskrima: California Knife Laws > I would like to offer an addition to Ray Langley's excellent description of > California knife law. Ray's summary appears to be based upon state law, > which is clearly the first source one should look at. However, one should > also check for laws at the city and county levels. As well as case law... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 15:46:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Re: sparring >>How soon do you like students to spar ? Depends. If they want to spar, right away with all the gear so that they understand what it is that they are training for. >>How much contact ? >>What techniques will you allow ? >>How much equipment ? >>Do you make a special sparring class or is it part of a regular >>class ? See Below >>anyone ever try sparring with minimal equipment using wiffleball bats >>for stick ( I know it sounds crazy but it seems to give students a >>healthy respect for the weapon without a great risk of injury ) Yes, and while this may be good for harder drills etc., the healthiest respect for the weapon comes from the rattan. Not having a rattan being swung at you does things on an unconscious level. It does not help to bring about the adrenaline flow during training. Of course there are lots of different ways that you can stipulate your training to make it more realistic though. Below is a reply by one of the guys that came out to train with us and fight first time, etc. I just re-posted it on the stickfighting digest for a similar question that was asked. It was his reply to someone asking about how we train. BEGIN: I can empathize with the guys' initial take...I was thinking the same things. However, once I got out there with the guys...I was just itching to jump in. Here's why: 1. Fighters of COMPARABLE SKILL are put together and there are some "stepping stones" before you start going full bore (I.e., more padding, harder contact DRILLS, no wind sparring, etc.). One of the things still most clear in my mind about that first fight, was something Chad said while we were fighting. About half way through the bout, Chad yells "you guys need to swing harder"...I'm thinking "Damn! I thought I WAS swinging hard!" Truth is (I reviewed the fight tape), after we both cracked each other pretty good, we never really generated much leverage (power) again during the fight because we were NOT going to just stand in there and take one to give one...that game is pretty much out when there's no padding on that stick. Even once you "take the plunge" you're still building on your skills, and the intestinal fortitude it takes to hit a man that you're not mad at with a stick. 2. It's not a "Bad-ass" contest...it's a good natured training environment. The learning curve is just a little steeper when mistakes are a little more painful 3. I was already inclined to give it a try. There may be some that NEVER want to step out onto the field and test their skills in this type of environment...and that's OK. Just as I have my reasons for feeling I HAVE to do this...they have equally valid cause not to. I'm still apprehensive every time I go to meet and train with Chad, Stuart, James, and crew...not because they pressure me, but because I'm constantly putting my previous training "on trial" in a more realistic setting. In the short time I've been working with them, I've found some bad habits I didn't know I had, and have found that things I thought I could do, I cannot. However, that all pales in comparison to the times I find things that DO work(in the context of that particular fight)...it has made a great difference. QUOTE END ===== Chad - chad@fullcontacthi.com Full Contact Hawaii - http://www.fullcontacthi.com Stickfighting Digest - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stickfighting __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "jkdc1" Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 19:23:23 -0500 Subject: eskrima: re: How soon do you like students to spar? In my MMA class, their first exposure to the sticks I show the basic angles, footwork, and defense. Then let them get the feel of hitting a bag with the various strikes. (Usually...) the next class I drill defense using padded sticks and Macho headgear w/ cage. Then a little hand sparring w/ the padded sticks. (Usually...) the next class I open up the other targets to the padded sticks while wearing the Macho headgear w/cage. Contact starts off fairly light and increases from there. I like to go back to isolated sparring and particular drills when a weakness becomes evident. When ready, we use rattan and Doce Pares headgear, starting off with medium contact... ~Kev ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 16:49:04 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #140 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.