From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #143 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 19 March 2001 Vol 08 : Num 143 In this issue: eskrima: RE: Fighting with Short Staff eskrima: Kabaroan Seminar eskrima: Re: Datu Title eskrima: Message from Hartman eskrima: Re: Autograped Books eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #142 eskrima: Reply to Mr. Wee eskrima: Crafty Dog seminar, DBMA Training Camp info eskrima: Westbrook's post eskrima: Lamenco forearm guards eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeremy Bays" Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:37:12 -0500 Subject: eskrima: RE: Fighting with Short Staff I have a book by Masaaki Hatsumi called "Stick Fighting: Techniques of Self-Defense". He gives several techniques and principles for using a 2 ft, 4ft, 6ft and other sticks in combat. The moves are great and in logic order. Thanks Jeremy Bays - ----- Original Message ----- >>Does anybody have any recommendations on books and/or videos that show >>instruction on the use of a stick that is approximatley 36" in length, >>similar in size to the jo, hanbo, and to some degree, the tapado. >>Thanks. ------------------------------ From: Ronald.Reekers@HSC.com Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 07:57:13 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Kabaroan Seminar The Thunder Center website is updated with information regarding GM Estalilla's Kabaroan seminar on May 26th. It can be found at: http://thundercenter.tripod.com/seminar.html This seminar will cover weapons of various lengths, including truncheons, staff (bankaw) and spear (sibat). Ron Reekers http://thundercenter.tripod.com ------------------------------ From: Phil Martino Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:48:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Re: Datu Title As I peek in on this list only every four months or so I can now add on to the list of "definites in life": death, taxes and the Datu debate. I stepped away from the martial arts for silliness such as this. After learning of way too many honorary black belts, high ranking black belts that were better at politics than they ever were at doing their art and the continued pay for belts system. Face it, we all know of systems that if you stick at it long enough, go to enough seminars and pay enough belt tests ypu can become a high ranking black belt. We know all to well of groups of teachers that finagle honorary black belts for their buds who get them honorary black belts in their style in return. And then these same guys turn around and treat these honorary black belts as if they actually trained in the art and earned the belts legitimately. Basically you end up with a circle jerk of guys who barely trained six months to achieve a belt that others busted their asses years to achieve. We also know of the guys who hosted enough GM seminars to earn high ranking status via additional belt progressions. Face it, there is so much corruption I don't know why we bother to talk about it. On the other hand, there are still a bunch of you hard core guys who bust your asses day in and day out promoting your arts, teaching your students, and honing your skills. I salute you guys for keeping the faith. There are way too many guys who use this list to promote themselves and attack their nearest competition. Like it matters. Too many people who think martial training and ability is based on your resumes and doccumentation. This is a part of the martial arts I do not miss at all. I'm glad to have met people who realize that all that counts is what you bring to the mat every time you train. I'm honored to have met and trained with guys who live by the "Don't sing it... bring it" mentality of assuring their position in the ranks of martial arts. Well that was my rant.. and a long time comming at that. Phil "Rhino-Style" Martino __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "tim hartman" Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:00:52 Subject: eskrima: Message from Hartman Back From Chicago, I've been in Chicago for the last 4 days and I guess I missed a lot! I see that Ernest has been stirring up things in my absence. I will be making a statement on a couple things but for the record I do not feel that the digest was made for this petty bullshit. All of my posts have my e-mail address. I am more that happy to talk to anyone about anything, as Ray Terry can tell you I am more that happy to give a person a phone call about topics that I don't feel are appropriate for this forum. 1. Prof Remy has NO HEALTH INSURANCE!! I am one of several people downing seminars and are donating a portion of the proceeds to help him out. If you know anything about medical expenses you would know how much this can hurt you financially. 2. Datu title. This is the never ending story! This was a promotion that came from the Prof directly! As I stated in past datu posts that YOU started, Ric Jornales has been awarded the title by Prof and has no rank in Modern Arnis and is the Grand Master of his own system. The Prof IS Modern Arnis and IS the IMAF. Keeping this in mind I started the WMAA after the Prof retired. If he was to remain active there would be no need to start a new group. 3. The WMAA was formed to insure that insure that Modern Arnis will continue. As far as the IMAF goes I don't like the direction I see it going in, am I saying it is bad? No, it is not the I want to go. As Modern Arnis' highest active tested and ranked (not cross ranked) I feel the need to take the art in a different direction. Ernest(if that is your real name) for not being a modern arnis person as you say you sure have taken allot of interest in this topic. I hope you don't think that I'm avoiding you but in addition to running the WMAA I own a fulltime Modern Arnis school and have a seminar tour that I must take care of. If you or anyone on this list would like to sit down and talk I would be more that happy to. If all you want to do is hide behind a computer and snipe at me than I'm not interested. I have included a list of events that I will be teaching. I have included both my school and cell number for anyone who wants to talk and of course my e-mail address in listed for private mail. I feel that endless posts on the digest are a waist of everyone's time. Yours Truly, Datu Timothy J.Hartman E-mail wnyima@hotmail.com School site www.wmarnis.com/school/ Federation site www.wmarnis.com M.A. Supplies www.warriorsden.com school 716-675-0899 cell 716-432-0803 e-mail wmarnis@wmarnis.com · March 25, Buffalo NY. Apprentice seminar. For more information contact Datu Hartman at 716-675-0899 or wmarnis@wmarnis.com · March 31, London Ontario. One day Camp. Topics covered will be hand & stick trapping, striking styles, & forms. For more information contact Mike Donavan at 519-473-5444 or sensi@olympickarate.on.ca · April 22, Buffalo NY. Apprentice seminar. For more information contact Datu Hartman at 716-675-0899 or wmarnis@wmarnis.com · May 24 - June 5 Sweden & Denmark. Modern Arnis Stick & Knife Concepts. For more information contact Ingmar Johansson ingmar.johansson@mbox318.swipnet.se · July 20 - 22, Rochester NY. Datu Hartman will be a guest instructor at Camp Budo. For more information contact Marty Noel at 716-889-7330, martynoel@aol.com · August 10 - 12, Datu Hartman will be a guest instructor at the AKKS New York Kenpo Camp. For more information contact Jeff Blay at 518-370-4757 or e-mail jblay1@nycap.rr.com . For information on hosting Datu Hartman for a seminar call school 716-675-0899, cell 716-432-0803 or e-mail wmarnis@wmarnis.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Bill Lowery" Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:19:46 -0000 Subject: eskrima: Re: Autograped Books > From: "jon broster" > Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 05:14:00 -0800 > Subject: eskrima: Dan's Book, Jak Othman > > Hi > > I have an autographed copy of Guro I's book. It never occurred to me that it was worth anything. (No, it's not for sale!!)< Hi Jon, Aha! I too have the FMA autographed by Mr Inosanto. However due to the differences in accents (American and Geordie) I managed to get it signed to 'Phil' !!! Once I read what he had written, it was too late to say much ;-) BILL Lowery ------------------------------ From: "hudginsg" Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:11:08 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #142 Last night Dan's Book was going for $127.00 on ebay. > ------------------------------ > > From: "jon broster" > Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 05:14:00 -0800 > Subject: eskrima: Dan's Book, Jak Othman > > Hi > > I have an autographed copy of Guro I's book. It never occurred to me that it was worth anything. (No, it's not for sale!!) ------------------------------ From: "Ernest Westbrook" Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:37:47 -0000 Subject: eskrima: Reply to Mr. Wee >From: "S. H. Wee" >Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:43:52 +0800 >Subject: eskrima: Re: Datu Title > >Once again, I do not want to get into the argument about the "Datu" title. >But I do hope that before one declare himself as "Datu", please take a few >moment to learn about the historical aspect of "Datu" title, the >significance and the responsibility that come with it. For the people where >the word "Datu" originated, it is more than a title for accomplished >martial artist. > >For all I care, you can even give the title of "Pope" to the head of your >style and start calling your grandmasters "Archbishops" and "Bishops", but >please do learn all you can about the titles and their significance before >you use them. > >Sincerely, > >S. H. WEE >shinhoe@pc.jaring.my >------------------------------ I am in complete agreement with your post with regard to learning the history and responsibilities that are part and parceel of holding a title and using it as part of one's identity. That was and is my point in raising the question with Mr. Hartman. It is not a slam on his martial abilities, or a denial of his earning the title within the IMAF. I am asking him to consider the ramifications of using such a title. It does seem to me that he could use the more common and generally accepted title of Master - which in a MAs context I would equate with 'datu'. Since he has publicly announced the founding of his own World Organization, he could easily slid the 'datu' title into his resume and keep visible for those visiting his weeb site. He earned, now he needs to use it responsibly. Simply because others have and are using the title, does not make it right. "Everyboby else is doinng it" is not a significant reason for wrongful behavior. These folks began using the title before the advent of the internet. With the spped and ease of communications that this medium provides, we need to be much more careful about what titles we claim and use in our promotions. We need to be aware of how our usage of cultural and/ or religious terminologies can and do impact others from the culture of origin. ArchBishop EBrook 2nd Chief Teacher - Surge Eskrima USA _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:08:55 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Crafty Dog seminar, DBMA Training Camp info A Howl of Greeting to All: A bite of advertising today: - --------------------------- I will be doing a 2 day seminar at Jeff Brown's school in Dayton, Ohio this coming weekend. Probable (but not promised!) subject material: 1) Light staff 2) Kali trapping against the Vale Tudo Guard--"The Running Dog Game": Jeff was in NYC for the Dr. Gyi Bareknuckle seminar last weekend (which was absolutely great BTW!) and also attended my two night mini-seminar at Nick Sacoulas's school wherein this material was shown for the first time and expressed an interest in my showing this material--- which is part of the answer to the question presented in my essay "Trapping" on the DBIMA website "Rambling Ruminations" page. 3) ? Jeff's school's phone number is: 937-435-5500 - --------------------------- As was just mentioned, last week I went to DBMA Sr. Lakan Guro Nick "Raw Dog" Sacoulas's school in NYC for a combined mini-seminar (attendance limited to 12) and video shoot. Nick suggested that I was better on camera with a live crowd than talking to the camera and suggested that I give this idea a try. I am pleased with how it worked out. Good idea Nick! The first night was "The Running Dog Game", which is my interpretation of Kali trapping (with some Jun Fan Gung fu thrown in) against the Vale Tudo guard. The second night was Siniwali: the application of the inner and outer tooth plus some stick squared training. This footage will be edited into "Vid-lessons" and available , , , soon to DBMAAssn members. The past couple of months, DBIMA has taken on a part time employee, Eddie Munoz, who has completed most of the large project of digitizing and cataloging the better part of 1,000 videos. With this process nearly complete, the pace of release of vid-lessons will be accelerating substantially. The first of these new era Vid-lessons "The Seven Ranges of Stickfighting" is now available to DBMAA members. - --------------------------- As some of you may know, in DBMA theory of seven ranges, we give credit to Grandmaster Ramiro Estalilla of the Kabaroan System for stimulating our thinking. (with his permission, a snippet of him teaching me about the merge is included in the Seven Ranges vid-lesson) I finally succeeded in getting ahold of GM E. this morning and am delighted to report that he will be teaching at The First Annual DBMA Training Camp. And in another piece of good news for the Training Camp, those of you coming will be glad to know that Nick Sacoulas has persuaded me that the originally announced price of $500 is too high ("You're out of your ******* mind!" was the way he gently put it ) and the new price is $300. DBMAA members will get a 20% discount. That's all for now-- woof, Guro Crafty Dog ------------------------------ From: BillyJa695@aol.com Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:19:11 EST Subject: eskrima: Westbrook's post Of what relevance is this "datu" question to you ? This issue has been beaten to death on this list in the past. Why bring it up again ? We've seen all the pros and cons of this argument. >Please forgive me but I am also confused about anonther matter, >the use of the title that preceeds your name. Isn't the title >'datu' used within the IMAF and awarded by Professor Presas? >Haven't you started your own organization - World Modern Arnis >Allience? If my memory is correct... you disassociated from the >IMAF... why would you still insist on using the title from the >old, discarded, organization? This time the question can not be directed >to >Professor Presas! > >With some respect, > >EBrook ------------------------------ From: "Robert Klampfer" Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:13:01 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Lamenco forearm guards I've read a few posts which reference the Lamenco forearm guards. I went to the website in search of a photograph but, there isn't one. Does anyone have a photo of these guards, which they could send or know of a website that has a photo posted? Regards, Rob ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:35:53 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #143 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.