From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #148 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 23 March 2001 Vol 08 : Num 148 In this issue: eskrima: Bong "Ric" Jornales eskrima: Final word in Datu-datuhan title eskrima: Etymology of Pinoy eskrima: first teaching ? eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve and Roberta" Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 19:50:48 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Bong "Ric" Jornales Ernest Westbrook wrote: Why bring Mr. Jornales' name into this matter? He does not use the title, nor is he a memember of this forum, as I understand it from a couple of his students. My Reply:Point of correction, Tim did not originally bring up Bong's name, Kevin Black did. Tim, I believe, was responding in the context of the ongoing dialogue to date which had previously included it. Steve Van Harn ------------------------------ From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 23:44:19 EST Subject: eskrima: Final word in Datu-datuhan title Rey, Please forgive me, but I feel i have to say something to this thread. To Datuship question?You know Datu title is given, to those "Filipinos" Datu for one reason, a lot of battles, numerous fights, bloodshed alot of bloods drops not drills and demo's. Seems to me that the person never really faught for realistic even in others arts claiming these tiltle, for my personal opinion no disrespect to the others Datu these tilte is only "Datu-datuhan meaning they consider just a kids game non-sense title, so ingnore it. During the Time in when the Malay Datu, came to the Philippines this is a title of a fighter, warrior, killler and combat experts . Even you are a Grandmaster of so called Filipino Arts and you did not participated of invading and defeating someones for real or in Sports arenas, to me there are not really what I can call it Warrior or the Datu. Not to mentioned the Muslim tradition and others belief in Datuship. Well, but since Professor Remy Presas awarded this title to Datu Tim Hartman and others, hey they must be were all good fighter, and deserved my respect, as the Proffessor's judgements, I will continues calling Datu Tim Hartman as he wantend wishes to be called from his title awarded to him by his grandmasters. Its an Honor to to recieved such title, congratulation... that all I can say,.... Gumagalang, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Reasearch Center USA << >> In my personal opinion, awarding "Datu" title to a mere chief instructor >>does not do justice to the significance of the title and all the fine >>Mahaguros that has spend decades of hardwork to earn the title. It is akin >> to awarding professorships to ten-years old school students. For his >>contribution to the FMA, Professor Remy Presas might be qualified for a >> "Datu" title but not as a title to be given to this senior students. >>In fact, unless "Datu" is part of your original name, using or awarding >>illegimate "Datu" title in this region could possibly land you in jail. >> ------------------------------ From: EGJundis@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:53:16 EST Subject: eskrima: Etymology of Pinoy I have received a private email requesting information on the Etymology of the word Pinoy. I was wondering if anyone would have information to add to this. Thanks in advance. What I know is below. I asked the late "Flip" Nunez a Filipino American Jazz Great about the term in 1994. Flip was a Jazz Pianist who was known in the recording industry and was used as studio artist on several albums during the seventies. He had performed and recorded with people like Pete Escovedo. He was part of the bridge generation (the children of the manongs) and knew many of the Stockton Eskrimadors as well as being a former boxer himself. He told me that the manongs used Flip to refer to those who knew the games of surviving in America. The picture he painted was one of a suave hustler. The term Pinoy was used to refer to those Filipinos fresh off the boat, in other words naive sheep ready to be hustled. Remember this was a bachelor society and many a Filipino profited at the expense of other Filipinos. Most often this took the form of joining a barkada or "gang of friends." Once that happened you were acculturated into surviving in this country. Mr. Nunez shared with me that in time the term Flip was an epitaph used for those who where hip. Thus, the perfect name for a Jazz Pianist. Though in some areas outside communities used the term as a derogatory term for Filipino Males. By W.W.II the term Pinoy was already established as popular term of empowerment for many of the Manong generation. The original derogatory connotation had been lost. Both terms Pinoy and Flip are used by Filipino Americans as terms of empowerment. Since the seventies we have also had the term Pinay it might be older as well. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:53:00 PST Subject: eskrima: first teaching ? So you have a new student, what do you teach first? How to block? How to strike? Something else? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:53:27 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #148 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.