From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #149 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 23 March 2001 Vol 08 : Num 149 In this issue: eskrima: new student eskrima: RE: First teachings... eskrima: new student eskrima: Re: First Teaching... eskrima: Re:frist teaching eskrima: First Teaching Re: Subject: eskrima: first teaching ? eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AWSolis@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:43:14 EST Subject: eskrima: new student In a message dated 3/23/01 1:34:37 PM Central Standard Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > So you have a new student, what do you teach first? How to block? How to > strike? Something else? > Woof! First, I make sure that they fill the waiver out correctly ;-) I then teach our fighting stance, followed by footwork, then the 12 strikes of Seneres Arnis. Woof! Alvis Hound Dog! PS I will be in Florida for the Pan Ams BJJ tourney April 7, and 8th....any digest members there who see me, please come up and say hello. I will be fighting in the Seniors 1 (old fart) Purple Belt division representing Carlos Machado. ------------------------------ From: Chris McWethy Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:20:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: eskrima: RE: First teachings... IMHO the first lessons should start with the salutes, showings of respect, the structure of the style and some of it's background, ideology, theories and practical applications. After this (no matter how long it takes) move to basic footwork and drills to familiarize the student with the tools of the trade. Once this is established move on to blocks and initial defensive techniques so that their first taste of the art is for self-defense and not offense. After basic defenses move to basic strikes so that the student will be able to join the rest of the class bu the next session. Not the "dive right in and get your feet wet" approach, but one that I've found effective since there's always a little stress on the student of having to learn a new thing and not wanting to look like an idiot right off the bat. Explinations and theory help too as you are teaching so the student understands what it is that you are asking them to do and more importantly...why. This I've found to be extremely valuable and the student retains the information better. Chris McWethy ISI/IFE - ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com ------------------------------ From: "Tom Skoglind" Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:44:43 -0600 Subject: eskrima: new student What to teach a new student? On the first day, they are taken aside and shown: 1) How to pay respects; 2) How to hold the stick, and the basic on-guard/ready stances; 3) Basic striking angles, so they understand the angles of attack and appropriate target areas so when the time comes they understand what they need to... 4) Block. Basic blocking for each of the striking angles. After that, they jump in and work on whatever the class as a whole, or other students around their level are working on. We try to pair up the newer students with more advanced students to learn, then let like ranking students pair up to practice. Of course we rotate often so that everyone gets different energy. This is for class, and assumes there is time to learn a structured art. It is not for the "I have to fight to the death tomorrow, what can you show me" scenario. Regards, Tom Skoglind tskoglin@schmitt-title.com Inayan Systems International ------------------------------ From: "Michael Barnes" Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:53:16 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: First Teaching... >Ray's Question.***************************** > > So you have a new student, what do you teach first? How to block? How to > strike? Something else? > > Ray Terry > raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com > > ------------------------------ Being one that was new not too long ago...(March 14, 1999) , one who still considers himself a 'child' in the art, and one who trains with new(er) students I believe that teaching how to strike correctly in the beginning is key to helping the new student. If the student is striking poorly at another student (even at an advanced student who can handle the strikes) then he/she will have a harder time learning the correct blocks. I know...everyone strikes differently...but when someone is learning a new technique, you go back to the basics...I would also throw in some of the foot work associated with the strikes. I personaly learn by doing and by watching...If I watch a move and then try to do it, I have a better chance of actually doing it myself. (of course there are some techniques that I have to watch and watch and watch before I get close to being able to try it...) When training one on one, if you want to see a move you have to be able to feed a strike. Thanks Michael Barnes mbarnes@nxs.net Inayan Systems International ------------------------------ From: "Johnaleen" Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:00:44 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re:frist teaching Ray Wrote****** So you have a new student, what do you teach first? How to block? How to > strike? Something else? Ray Terry ************* First lesson in one of my classes..... Safety... in training... Explanation on safety for completing the techs and class safely, Promoting health, and healing in the daily process of thing's that should be practiced to insure that the concepts that are taught will be there for when you really need them. In the time of crises. why? because i am old and don't want to be abused by my students.... because i don't want law suites when they hit themselves in the face with the stick the first time.... and if there are less injury's when students are first starting out they tend to come back more often. so for a number of reasons that i personally believe are correct for myself and my organization this is what we cover first... Ms J......... CEO/F.A.T.E. 1-888-526-4626 Victims Program Facilitating Awareness Through Empowerment FATE@f-a-t-e.org www.f-a-t-e.org ------------------------------ From: kalkiusa@netscape.net Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:04:31 -0500 Subject: eskrima: First Teaching > So you have a new student, what do you teach first?   > How to block?  How to strike?  Something else? How to express basic mechanics of the machine (body) and how to use it to get around. Coordination and mobility. I'm nobody special, but if a person doesn't have the patience to work on these things first I consider it a waste of time. If they have the patience to work on these things first they do themselves a whole lotta good and they save everyone a lot of time in latter phases of development. I'll never forget the brilliant guy who came to a class asking me: "Is this a good workout?" Aiya! Good grief! Guy thrashed around like a fish outta water. Mitakeyu Oyasin. Be well, Mik __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Bill Lowery" Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 00:24:42 -0000 Subject: Re: Subject: eskrima: first teaching ? Ray wrote, >Subject: eskrima: first teaching ? So you have a new student, what do you teach first? How to block? How to strike? Something else?< Single stick: I start with the Cinco Teros (five strikes) and two sets of blocks to deal with them. No1 strike gets inside sweep and roof block No2 strike gets drop stick and chicken wing No3 strike gets low inside sweep and scabbard No4 strike gets low drop stick and low outside block No5 strike gets fencers parry and counter thrust. Double stick: I start with Heaven six and reverse Heaven six. This is usually complicated enough for beginners to concentrate their minds on having two hands to use at the same time! Empty Hand: I start with Higot Hubud Lubud, to help co-ordinate both hands again in a different manner to Heaven six, and to become familiar with the idea of body shifting when in close. Bill Lowery ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:13:05 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #149 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.