From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #151 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sun, 25 March 2001 Vol 08 : Num 151 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #150 eskrima: Re: FMA Videos eskrima: Order of Teaching eskrima: re: Jo and short staff videos eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeff Allen" Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 20:12:29 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #150 VERY VERY far along....very few students dedicate the time needed to work with live blades. Jeff Allen drjeffallen@home.com > From: Ray Terry > Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 10:39:00 PST > Subject: eskrima: second teachings ? > > Second teachings... > > So then how far along in a new student's training do you introduce live > blade training/practice? > > Ray Terry > raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Primedirektib@aol.com Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 22:13:00 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: FMA Videos Greetings, I have been looking for the following videos, and I am wondering if someone from this list could direct me to the distributor(s) or perhaps send me a copy if I were to pay for the cost of the blank tape(s) & postage/handling, etc. Any leads would be much appreciated! Stateside (documentary) Sticks of Death by Anthony Davis BBC documentary on Eskrima Learning Channel documentary on Eskrima Maraming salamat, James Berroya primedirektib@aol.com ------------------------------ From: "BILL MCGRATH" Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 05:46:14 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Order of Teaching I just got back from a LEO seminar tonight and read Ray's question. Coincidently we discussed teaching order a bit in class today. This is how I described the issue for the class. The "goal technique" for most boxers is the cross, yet no one throws only crosses during the fight. You need something to "buy" you the cross and that is the jab. The jab however will not connect if you are throwing it from a place advantageous to your opponent, so you need footwork to put you in the right place. But even that is not enough if you don't hit the guy hard, so you need to develop the body mechanics of power. In the short course I gave today, I taught in this order. 1. Bag work (isolating one strike at a time to learn body mechanics) 2. Footwork (again isolated to learn the mechanics of this subcomponent as quickly as possible) 3. Basic attacks (nomenclature stage) 4. Defenses (very basic parry and entry drills to learn "flow". This is also where items 1,2, and 3 were put together) 5. "Goal" or finishing techniques. We could look at the larger issue of Ray's question this way. If your system has techniques at levels "A through Z" for each of the 5 categories given above, two possible ways to teach would be: Level A of catagories 1 to 5, then level B of 1 to 5, then level C of 1 to 5, etc. or you could teach: Levels A through Z of catagory 1, then A to Z of 2, then A to Z of 3, etc. When teaching adults (especially if I have to teach quickly), I tend to use the first teaching method. They won't have the complete picture if I only have time for "Level A - 1 to 5", but they will be able to use what they do know quickly. I think many of older "classical" teaching methods (which presume starting with a child and really focusing on the curriculum for many years before ever having to use it in combat) tend to favor the second teaching method. I believe the older way has a lot to offer if you are working under its parameters (start very young and train hard for many years and complete the entire curriculum).To use a medical metaphor; I think the first teaching method works best if you have to produce a lot of paramedics quickly, but the second is best if you must produce a doctor and time is not a factor. When to teach what and in how much volume is a question I spend a lot of time thinking about. One could say that doing a few things great will allow you to beat someone who does many things good but it will not allow you to beat someone who does many things great (ie. a pro western boxer may beat an amateur Thai boxer, but usually not a pro Thai boxer ). I think one of the problems we run into these days is that we often are under the time constraints of method one, but are working with the volume of techniques from method two. Perhaps when something is said "not to work" these days the problem is not the technique, but the time. Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath Visit the PTI web site at: http://www.pekiti-tirsia.com/index.html ------------------------------ From: michael.meyer@sdm.de Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 20:08:59 +0200 Subject: eskrima: re: Jo and short staff videos Hi! > Does anybody have any recommendations on books and/or videos that show > instruction on the use of a stick that is approximatley 36" in length, > similar in size to the jo, hanbo, and to some degree, the tapado. Thanks. > Brian Here are some recommendations for stick videos with non filipino martial arts background. I practise jojutsu, the japanese art of stickfighting with a 4 ft. stick. In japanese tradition the jo is used to defend against an attack with a sword (that means a katana in japan, no broad sword like the one used in Tai Chi or in medieval europe). That explains the length of the jo: 4 ft. is longer than a katana to have an advantage in range and is as fast as a sword. With a long stick (bo, 6 ft.) you would have more range but be slower than a sword. You can see very good examples of jojutsu techniques against a sword on the buki video from Ikeda (http://www.bujindesign.com/video.html#buki). If you are interested in the more formal world of kata then there are the two videos Jodo vol.1,2 from Panther video (http://www.panthervideo.com). There are applications of the movements in the katas, but don' expect them to be realistic in the way realistic is meant in FMA. As far as I know there is no lock & block or free flow in Jodo. You have to work with the techniques and a good partner to find the realistic applications. In the chinese martial arts tradition the short staff (perhaps a little bit longer than the jo) is used to defend against a longer Weapon like spear or long staff. You can see a short staff form on the video from Kenny Perez: the shaolin short staff (http://www.cfwenterprises.com/cfw/cfw_product.asp?dept_id=123&pf_id=WUSH04). Chinese techniques are more acrobatic than japanese. You can see one form and its application on the video. I believe there must be more chinese short staff forms. Does anybody here knows something about that? If you are looking for something, that is not totally different from filipino stickfighting, then look at the video about african stick fighting from Ahai Kilindi Iyi (http://www.cfwenterprises.com/cfw/cfw_product.asp?dept_id=123&pf_id=WAF2). He shows single stick (about jo size) and double stick fighting with stick and something like a club or a short spear. And he shows the connections between african war dances and his martial art. That is very interesting. I hope this will help you, Brian. Is there anybody else on this digest who practises jo techniques and eskrima? Regards, Michael ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 14:16:54 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #151 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.