From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #156 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thur, 29 March 2001 Vol 08 : Num 156 In this issue: eskrima: Re: live blade training eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #155 eskrima: RE: ED V8 #155 DB series 2 eskrima: FMA in the D.C. Area eskrima: Correction: FMA in theChantilly, Va. Area eskrima: Anatomy of the Stick Re: eskrima: Anatomy of the Stick eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #155 eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Maudal Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 08:05:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Re: live blade training Hello All, Concerning "live blade" training... check out Blaise Loong's Single Swoard bonehead basics. The tape just came out. First half show's some of the live blade training that we do at Blayshalla. Second half deals w/the use of training swords. Thought I'd throw it out. Enjoy! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ From: "Johnaleen" Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:17:55 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #155 *******Yes, you can see these marks on the ceiling of my living room too:) For me there was a great difference between training Japanese MA and FMA. Do you feel that difference with one teacher, who teaches both? Michael********** I have had both the chance to train with all 3 kinds of teachers, many flat out traditional FMA teachers compared to Flat out Traditional Japanese MA arts and someone that do both, teach me over my life time... right now though My Main instructor over the past 3 years has 30 some odd years in traditional Japanese MA... but 15 or so years or so ago he started training in FMA... I asked him a few years back why after 15 years of being a teacher in Aikido and Aiki Ju jitsu what caused him to take up FMA... He said that one of his main teachers and Mentors, GM Jim Morell had integrated the Deadly FMA with the Aiki to teach to the navy Seal teams, Military and Police Departments.... Morrell ended up leaving the famleys legacy to my instructor when he passed away a few years back... the Mix of the 2 arts have been the bases of what my main instructor has taught to the military and police departments now for the past 10 to 15 years...Oh yeah and me as well....... " Ms J grins Evilly" I personally have found there is a huge difference between the 3 different types teachers... and i am glad that i had the opportunity to find this out for myself, as well as be able to gain huge amounts of positive training from all 3 kinds of teachers... because i not only have all the hard core Life-FMA-MA street stuffs i as well have the mind body healing concepts from the traditional to complement my core art FMA and Self-Defense and its the bases of how i have healed over the past years from what took me away from training the few years before i became an invalid and very sick... Ms. J... Bows deeply to you.... "When i am an old women, I do not want them to say, "She is such a charming old women" I would rather them say, " Be careful that old women is armed and Dangerous!!!!!!!" Ms. Johnaleen Castro CEO/F.A.T.E. 1-888-526-4626 Victims Program Facilitating Awareness Through Empowerment FATE@f-a-t-e.org www.f-a-t-e.org ------------------------------ From: Henry Martinez Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:45:13 -0800 Subject: eskrima: RE: ED V8 #155 DB series 2 Hello Marc Some questions about the second DB series. Isn't "Combining Stick and Footwork" the third in the series? Your website lists... The Grandfathers Speak Vol 1 Second Series A Gathering Of The Pack Vol 2 Second Series Combining Stick and Footwork Vol 3 Second Series Will there be a discount for purchasing the entire second series as with the first? Any ballpark date on when the second series will be done? Thanks HM > ---------- From: "Marc Denny" Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:44:02 -0800 Subject: eskrima: DBMA Advertisement: The Second Series begins! A Howl of Greeting to All: After years of promises, the first tape in the second series is now available. It is titled "Combining Stick and Footwork". As always there are fights ("If you see if taught, you see it fought") and interviews. It is a full hour long and goes for $35 ($30 to members of the DBMA Ass'n). Hope you like it. Woof, Crafty Dog PS: Editing is well underway for the second video "Attacking with Blocks" and the third video "Krabi Krabrong". The KK vid features Ajarn Arlan "Salty Dog" Sanford. ------------------------------ From: Jesse Manibusan Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 07:56:35 -1000 Subject: eskrima: FMA in the D.C. Area I am going to be in the Fairfax area from Jun 30 through Jul 23. I would like to participate in at least 1 seminar, camp, anything.... Anyone have a schedule for arts in the area? Or any ideas? _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Jesse Manibusan Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:00:45 -1000 Subject: eskrima: Correction: FMA in theChantilly, Va. Area Ummm, yeah, I was totally wrong. Not the D.C area and not even the Fairfax area, I will be commuting from the Dulles Hilton to Park Meadows in Chantilly, Va. I am not the navigator-type: male, pass-by-same-gas-station 3 times, don't-stop-to-ask-directions, etc. If any of you are familiar with the area and know of any events that I can participate in or just watch, I would appreciate any suggestions. Thanks. on 3/29/01 7:56 AM, Jesse Manibusan at jessmani@yahoo.com wrote: > I am going to be in the Fairfax area from Jun 30 through Jul 23. I would like > to participate in at least 1 seminar, camp, anything.... > > Anyone have a schedule for arts in the area? Or any ideas? _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Alex France Date: 29 Mar 2001 10:51:55 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Anatomy of the Stick >>...what do -you- teach?<< If I teach at all, I teach GM Ernesto Presas' Kombatan. I AM NOT QUALIFIED to teach Serrada or any form of Kali, so I do not attempt to teach, demonstrate, or explain any portion of their art --I only MENTION good and interesting aspects of their arts as masters and guros of those arts relay them to me. If they say "this is so" in their art, then it is so. It is not for me to question or contradict what they say. >>We also tend to use thick heavy sticks.<< It is so! Master Ed Farris' comment that I mentioned earlier had to do exactly with this. (Even though Ed is not Serrada, he has a very deep understanding of martial arts in general and FMA in particular. My primary sources for Serrada would be Master Robert Castro and several other Serrada instructors. And I did have the pleasure and honor of meeting Master Jimmy Tacosa, and Master Sultan Uddin when I hosted Jimmy during PMAACC's "Spotlight on the Masters" seminar series.) ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:24:00 PST Subject: Re: eskrima: Anatomy of the Stick > >>...what do -you- teach?<< > If I teach at all, I teach GM Ernesto Presas' Kombatan. I AM NOT QUALIFIED > to teach Serrada or any form of Kali, so I do not attempt to teach, > demonstrate, or explain any portion of their art ... Sorry, I guess I misunderstood. I thought the list you posted was a short lesson plan outlining what you taught/discussed. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Ernest Westbrook" Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 20:06:32 -0000 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #155 wnyima@hotmail.com wrote: >Subject: eskrima: Balintawak Grandmasters??? >I hope this doesn't cause too many problems. I have seen a couple >listings for Balintawak seminars with different Grandmasters listed. Tim, I doubt that you are causing any new problems. First you should know that there are two different groups using the Balintawak name. One founder under GGM Bacon and the second associated with the Doce Pares Group of Cebu City. That is an important distinction because there is also a 2nd Doce Pares Group that located in Laguna Provience on Luzon Island, Philippines. Gat Puno Abon Baet can provide more details about that group, if you are interested! >I may be wrong but I thought that the only person that Ancong Bacon > >allowed to teach his art was Ted Buot. If someone could tell me who > >these other people are and how they fit into things I would >appreciate >it. Tim, you are very likely to be wrong on that point, but of course it might depend on who you are talking to regarding this matter. According to Master Sam Buot, who treained under GM Villisan, GM Ted Buot and GGM Bacon, there are several men who were/are masters of the Balintawak art within the Bacon lineage; GM Jose Villian, GM Teofilo Velez, GM Ted Buot and GM Bobby Taboada. It is my understanding that GGM Bacon, would not train beginnners. Students had to pass through several instructors and become accomplished in the art, them GGM Bacon would add the "finishing training." Ted Buot and Dr. Dom Lopez are the only two exceptions to that rule that I am aware of in the Bacon lineage. ******************************* A short excerpt from his webb site : Jose Villasin (Deceased) Jose Villasin,was a lawyer and labor leader. (snipped) He tried to organize his course by making mimeographed notes for his students. Thus, his attempt to organize the thought process of the Grandmaster (Bacon)by dissecting and breaking down the art into understandable and digestible morsels for beginners. It was an outline with sketchy descriptions of moves. It was under the personalized tutelage of Joe Villasin that the author (Sam Buot)had a quick start and understanding of the basics, intermediate and advanced study of eskrima. Villasin’s study simplified the explanations for quicker understanding. Purists dismiss his attempt as a corruption of the Grandmaster’s thoughts. This was in fact the very first attempt to reduce Bacon’s art into writing. (snipped) Villasin was president of the Balintawak International Self Defense Club and the writer was Vice president. At the time the club was called "international", it was more in playful humor since there was actually nothing of any international flavor. Only Teddy Buot was in the United States. Even then Teddy did not particularly ally himself with Villasin and Velez who, presumably, he took to be heretics. The use of the word "international" has proven to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. Balintawak has since gone international with Bobby Taboada traveling worldwide holding seminars and organizing Balintawak clubs the world over. - -------------- end of quoted material ------------------------ Perhaps this sheds some light on the topic, for you, Tim. Questions are not bad, but the answers are not always what some people want to hear, in spite of the fact that the answer is the truth. So read and make your own decisions. ArchBishop EBrook 2nd Chief Teacher - Surge Eskrima USA _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:50:03 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #156 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.