From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #157 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 30 March 2001 Vol 08 : Num 157 In this issue: eskrima: Talhoffer's "Fechtbuch" eskrima: Re: Thanks eskrima: re: FMA in the d.c. area eskrima: re: FMA in the d.c. area eskrima: Style from Samar Re: eskrima: Style from Samar eskrima: Re: punyos and stuff Subject: eskrima: FMA in the D.C. Area eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Koblic" Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:28:59 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Talhoffer's "Fechtbuch" I just got my copy of Talhoffer's "Fechtbuch". This is a first English translation of a book first published in 1467. That in itself is quite remarkable considering that it is one of the most cited publications in sword literature. It is also quite a revelation. The pictures are, well, medieval. One has to fill in the gaps. However I found the following interesting: 1) A lot of long sword techniques concentrating on holding the blade at half-point by the left hand as well as the handle by the right hand. It seems that a close up work with the long sword must have been very common at least when confronted with armour("the half-sword techniques"). Many techniques using the sword held by the blade entirely and using the hilt to strike or hook. 2) Willingness to abandon the primary weapon in an effort to gain the upper hand by grappling. 3) Many techniques are recognizable - I identified what looks like tai otoshi, osoto-gari, uchi-mata and even tomoe-nage. Defanging the snake is seen as an option. There are elements of technique I recently studied at the DBMAA website (different weapons, similar moves). A nice example of a roof block. Some techniques suggest principles of silat. Yet again, the book seems to point to the fact that there is very little new under the sun and that the effective ways to defeat an opponent are limited in number. It is good to know that our ancestors were not completely dumb where MAs were concerned. In many ways their knowledge was more extensive: How many of us could succesfully defend against a lancer using a crossbow on a horse? The chapter on women fighting men in a pit armed with a 5-lb stone in a veil and a mace respectively was intriguing - is this something one should introduce at the Gathering or even UFC? Would this be politically correct? Do we care? Just idle thoughts of an armchair warrior... Mike Koblic, Campbell River, BC ------------------------------ From: Joshua Hutchinson Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:01:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Re: Thanks Thanks Dieter! I knew that there was a website, but I forgot what the address was... If I had any common sense, I would have grabbed it off of one of the video cases. JHutchin _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ ------------------------------ From: Gerald Boggs Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 20:28:28 -0800 Subject: eskrima: re: FMA in the d.c. area Try visiting http://www.trainingblades.com/ They have information and links to many of the FMA schools in the greater D.C. area. I myself am a student of the Trident academy located in Dale city, Va. I would recommend Trident to anyone. ------------------------------ From: Gerald Boggs Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 20:31:43 -0800 Subject: eskrima: re: FMA in the d.c. area Try visiting http://www.trainingblades.com/ They have information and links to many of the FMA schools in the greater D.C. area. They also have a seminar listing,. As does a couple of the local schools you can link from their page. I myself am a student of the Trident academy located in Dale city, Va. I would recommend Trident to anyone. ------------------------------ From: Danny Alvendia Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:37:31 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Style from Samar Moro-Moro Orabes heneral is an eskrima system founded by GM Alejandro Abrian in 1955. It has its roots in the visayan province of Samar, home to the Waray ethnic group. Based on principles geared towards combat effectiveness, Moro-Moro Orabes Heneral is arguably lacking in the aesthetic beauty commonly associated with other Asian fighting arts. Pre-arranged drills are nonexistent in the system because of their limiting, albeit decidedly appealing, nature. Moro-Moro Orabes Heneral is a composite art containing subsystem applications for long- and short-bladed weapons, batons, fisticuffs and grappling. -- Ralph Nepomuceno ********* Some of you in the digest may have seen GM Andy perform in Luneta or Rizal Park in Manila. I have seen tapes of him and he is living proof of more eskrima or FMA that is still untapped and unheard of in the Philippines. ====================== Danny Alvendia dannya@mayannetworks.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 19:33:09 PST Subject: Re: eskrima: Style from Samar > Moro-Moro Orabes heneral is an eskrima system founded by GM Alejandro Abrian > in 1955. It has its roots in the visayan province of Samar, home to the > Waray ethnic group. > > Based on principles geared towards combat effectiveness, Moro-Moro Orabes > Heneral is arguably lacking in the aesthetic beauty commonly associated with > other Asian fighting arts. Pre-arranged drills are nonexistent in the > system because of their limiting, albeit decidedly appealing, nature. > > Moro-Moro Orabes Heneral is a composite art containing subsystem > applications for long- and short-bladed weapons, batons, fisticuffs and > grappling. -- Ralph Nepomuceno > > ********* > > Some of you in the digest may have seen GM Andy perform in Luneta or Rizal > Park in > Manila. I have seen tapes of him and he is living proof of more eskrima or > FMA that > is still untapped and unheard of in the Philippines. This sparse, perhaps incorrect, entry comes from the FMA FAQ... ****************************************** Moro-Moro Style Founder: Telesporo Subing-Subing major players : Andrew Abrian ****************************************** Same style? Different style? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 19:39:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Re: punyos and stuff >>(3) And how they , get their heavy sticks to overcome their momentum and change directions so quickly... I saw a demonstration by Tuhon Mel Lopez and the KAA a few years back. The demo seemed to have a long and middle range dominance, though I'm sure they cover closer ranges as well. Question for the Villabrille/Largusa group, are stick chokes and stick grappling a part of your curriculum? From what I hear, GM Villabrille would end up clinched at times in his fights. >>Hi people, I would actually love to hear from anyone who has any >>ideas on using the punyos in actual combat (not only the systems >>mentioned below). Punyos: 1. Grab your opponent and bash them on the top of their head as hard as you can. The mechanics of how you bash it though can change the speed and power of your punyo strikes. Best way to practice this is probably with a moped helmet or something similar and clinch up then try to strike the head with punyos. (Of course one of my favorite examples of this can be found at http://www.geocities.com/stuigarta/turnanimal.avi ) 2. Punyos can be your best friend in a clinch if you can fight holding the stick bayonet style. (This also helps to cultivate actual ambidexterity that one can use) 3. Long Range. I have used my punyo at long range with heavy and long sticks to speed up my strikes by using the punyo like a leverage starter and for throwing off certain jabs. These are some of the actual ways that I've used the punyo in real time. Also, an interesting point is that most people I've talked to don't feel that their punyos have enough power when they actually use it in the fights, which may of course be a factor of the mask, but then again...so practice your punyo shots people. Hope that helps. ===== Chad - chad@fullcontacthi.com Full Contact Hawaii - http://www.fullcontacthi.com Stickfighting Digest - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stickfighting __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ From: "Mike aka Shugendo" Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:14:44 -0000 Subject: Subject: eskrima: FMA in the D.C. Area Jesse - Check out our web site for an updated list of events and training info for the Washington, DC area. Michael A. Krivka @ Martial Arts Koncepts Home Page: http://www.martialartskoncepts.com Email: shugendo@hotmail.com or koncepts@bellatlantic.net Phone: 301/963-6520 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 6:32:26 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #157 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.