From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #158 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 30 March 2001 Vol 08 : Num 158 In this issue: eskrima: ankles eskrima: Re:Arabic Translation eskrima: escrima_arnis forum ?? eskrima: Villabrille-Largusa Kali: KAA Demonstrations and Punyos eskrima: Where? How much? Re: eskrima: Where? How much? eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #157 eskrima: Moro Moro eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. 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A courtside study of over 10,000 mostly recreational players in Australia revealed an injury rate of 3.85 per 1000, with 37 players sustaining an ankle injury. Almost half of the injuries occurred during landing, with half of these attributable to landing on another player's foot. Sharp twisting and turning, an integral part of basketball technique, accounted for almost a third of all ankle injuries. Players who did not stretch before play were over 2.5 times as likely to injure their ankles. Players who had already injured their ankles were almost five times as likely to do so again. Three quarters of the injured players fell into this category. Around one in four players had not sought medical advice the first time around, a factor which may have played a part in subsequent injury, suggest the authors. Players who wore shoes with air cells in the heels were over four times as likely to injure their ankles. These shoes were significantly more expensive than those without air cells in the heels. The authors suggest that such shoes may decrease heel stability, so making the ankle more vulnerable to injury. ------------------------------ From: Jivita@aol.com Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 10:11:39 EST Subject: eskrima: Re:Arabic Translation Can anyone translate the inscription found here: http://members.aol.com/jivita/klew.jpg It appears on the scabbard of one of my Sumatran Klewangs. Thanks. JL. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 10:57:52 PST Subject: eskrima: escrima_arnis forum ?? FWIW... It has been brought to my attention several times in the past, and again today, that a few isolated folks on some forum named escrima_arnis like to openly bash our forum in their forum. I remain confused as to why. The typical complaints are that this is a censored forum (actually we are an open moderated forum) assuming I guess that people cannot speak their minds here. But what is even more confusing is that I tend to see these comments from people that have no record as ever being subscribed to our list. ??? Yes, this is a moderated forum. I suspect that most of us here appreciate that this forum is not like rec.martial-arts. Yes, I have not allowed a handful of posts to go through in the last seven years. About 30,000 posts to the Eskrima list have gone out to date, about 30 or 40 have been moderated out [i.e. killed] by me. Folks, if you have a problem with this forum please have the 'stones' to say something about it to me, either face-to-face or via email. Posting complaints about us in some other forum is unlikely to ever be very useful, unless your hope is to never have those claims responded to. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Mark Harrell" Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 20:05:33 -0000 Subject: eskrima: Villabrille-Largusa Kali: KAA Demonstrations and Punyos From: Chad Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 19:39:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Re: punyos and stuff I saw a demonstration by Tuhon Mel Lopez and the KAA a few years back. The demo seemed to have a long and middle range dominance, though I'm sure they cover closer ranges as well. Question for the Villabrille/Largusa group, are stick chokes and stick grappling a part of your curriculum? From what I hear, GM Villabrille would end up clinched at times in his fights. _______________________________________________________________ >>In response to Punyos in Villabrille-Largusa Kali: >>The Kali Association of America and Tuhon Mel Lopez demonstrate >>a flowery medium to long range style designed for public >>demonstrations >>on stage. The purpose of the KAA demonstrations is >>to show and highlight the Filipino Culture, traditions, and what >>the KAA calls the, "Classical" and "Artistic" expressions of the >>martial art of Kali. It is not the intent of KAA public >>demonstrations >>to emphasize the combative aspects or expressions of >>the art. In >>addition to the organizational decision to promote the >>Filipino Culture, >>traditions, and "Classical" and "Artistic" >>expressions of Kali they also >>stress character development and a >>sense of fraternity within their >>group. >> >>The combative emphasis or training is more of an individual's decision >>rather than an organizational goal. >>There are a handful of advanced practitioners that are active and do >> >>place great emphasis on the combative expressions of Kali but they >> >>are the exception and not the rule within the KAA group. It is >>within >>this small group of renegade senior instructors that you will >>find a >>tremendous amount of combative skill and training. Their >>fierce inside >>fighting includes many grappling, trapping, sweeping, >>locking, stomping, >>butting, biting, gouging, and yes punyos strikes >>and Garoti chokes. >> >>Pangulo Na Guro Harrell >>Villabrille-Largusa Kali _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 12:33:12 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Where? How much? > From: "Michael Koblic" > Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:28:59 -0800 > Subject: eskrima: Talhoffer's "Fechtbuch" > > I just got my copy of Talhoffer's "Fechtbuch". This is a first English > translation of a book first published in 1467. That in itself is quite > remarkable considering that it is one of the most cited publications in > sword literature. It is also quite a revelation. Greetings Michael: Where can one get this book and how much does it cost? Thanks, Crafty Dog ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:07:08 PST Subject: Re: eskrima: Where? How much? > > I just got my copy of Talhoffer's "Fechtbuch". This is a first English > > translation of a book first published in 1467. That in itself is quite > > remarkable considering that it is one of the most cited publications in > > sword literature. It is also quite a revelation. > > Greetings Michael: > > Where can one get this book and how much does it cost? It is on Amazon.com. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:20:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #157 I just read an article of it in the special mag a month or two back. Some nice stuff, and his body mechanics looked alot like my instructors, and they appeared to have similar flavors. ===== Chad - chad@fullcontacthi.com Full Contact Hawaii - http://www.fullcontacthi.com Stickfighting Digest - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stickfighting __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ From: EGJundis@aol.com Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:51:41 EST Subject: eskrima: Moro Moro > Some of you in the digest may have seen GM Andy perform in Luneta or Rizal > Park in > Manila. I have seen tapes of him and he is living proof of more eskrima or > FMA that > is still untapped and unheard of in the Philippines. This sparse, perhaps incorrect, entry comes from the FMA FAQ... ****************************************** Moro-Moro Style Founder: Telesporo Subing-Subing major players : Andrew Abrian ****************************************** Same style? Different style? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com >> Because it says the style is founded by Telesporo Subing-Subing they are different. Moro Moro Orabis Heneral is the creation of Andrew Abrian. They might come from a similar source. Anyone know where Subing Subing was from before Hawaii? Master Abrian or "Andy" recently had an article on his system in the Filipino Martial Arts magazine that came out earlier this year with Edgar Sulite on the cover. The article was by Mark WIley.I haven't seen the magazine since so I think it was a one shot deal. Abrians a nice guy with some good stuff to share with interested parties. I especially like his blade application and the smoothness of his flow. In '93 I got to watch Abrian and Sultan Uddin mix it up in a friendly yet intense exchange. I've also sent several folks over to train with him over the years, and they have all sent back high praise. I consider him and GM Jose Mena to be the last jems in the Luneta. Though hopefully new ones will show up. I've met several practioners in different parts of the Philippines who refer to portions of their movements as comming from the Moro Moro or as Moro Moro. It's also been explained to me that a term spoken twice is "like the real thing, but not the real thing". So I've heard Moro Moro used to describe techniques that are like the movements practiced by real Moros. The term also refers to the play fighting in the old Moro Moro propaganda plays. My grandfather often refered to movements he used as coming from the Moro Moro. He was from Leyte but did not speak Waray, though he could understand some. Elrik SPMA ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:30:36 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #158 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.