From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #161 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 2 April 2001 Vol 08 : Num 161 In this issue: eskrima: censored eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #159 eskrima: FMA fish mix? eskrima: Moderate Away Re: eskrima: moderating eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Patrick Davies Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 10:31:16 +0100 Subject: eskrima: censored Ray, I hope you allow this through for debate reasons Ray Terry: Folks, if you have a problem with this forum please have the 'stones' to say something about it to me, either face-to-face or via email. Posting complaints about us in some other forum is unlikely to ever be very useful, unless your hope is to never have those claims responded to. You have censored stuff by me before as you took offence to what I said. Even when I replied to your comment specifically answering your points you never responded and the mail didn't get posted. I have the mail still saved. You felt what I had said was offensive and even though I showed it to about 10 others on this list not one of them could see the offence. You therefore stopped it from appearing purely because you didn't like it and that is censorship. My main gripe came from the gun debate a year and a half ago. I felt that you were promoting arguments that agreed to your views. Several people sent mails to me at the time saying that they had sent responses to points that had not been seen on the list. They subsequently decided to leave the list. Some of the comments attributed to people via this list did no one any favours at that time. I have not really bitched about this before and have kept subscribed but the perception is that - since you do read the mails before they go through - that you do censor this list. This therefore opens you up to the accusation that you actively discriminate against certain lines of thought.. The title of the list at the beginning clearly shows what the list is about but very few people actually realise what that means. Im not going to pander to ego soothing (you werent asking for it either) by telling you what a great job you do. I am on the list and try and contribute good posts but do so less than I used to because of those incidents. I was on other lists but due to e mail volume left. I stayed here for historical reasons but the other lists were tremendous forums too. There are many people on this list on other lists and many who have left this list to participate in other forums. People sometimes subscribe using different e mail addresses too. Of the conversations you highlighted I have also seen comments that have been very complimentary of you. Ultimately I use the list for my own reasons and have accepted the faults as part of its characteristic. Please don't imply its faultless as nothing ever is. I would not have aired these thoughts if you hadnt have raised the topic. Im happy to stay and contribute and I try and do so positively and don't sneak around bitching about it. I hope you see this mail in that light too. Pat Davies Aberdeen Martial Arts Group ------------------------------ From: "Jeremy Bays" Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 08:01:27 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #159 There are various ways to display a katana, wakasashi, and tanto. The best way would be Katana on top, followed by the wakasashi, and then the tanto on bottom. All the curves are to point down (blade edge up) on all the weapons. This is a symbol of the edge to the heavens and an ever readiness. With the curve down it shows respect for life as well as this is the manner in which a sword is worn. thanks Jeremy Bays - ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "hudginsg" > Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 09:24:14 -0600 > Subject: eskrima: correct display of swords > > A quick question for the people in the know. I have one of those japanese 3 > sword sets. I would like to know the correct way these are displayed on a 3 > sword stand. > > Curved blade up or curved blade down? > Katana on bottom with tanto on top of display or tanto on bottom and katana > on top? > > Thanks. I do not want to show my ignorance by displaying them improperly. ------------------------------ From: Kendal Coats Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 06:44:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: FMA fish mix? "Jim Morell had integrated the Deadly FMA with the Aiki to teach to the navy Seal teams," If I am not mistaken the word "aiki" is Japanese for a light brown fish gravey, yes I understand your contex but I still find it an interesting mix. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ From: John Cipkar Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 12:29:33 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Moderate Away Ray, you're doing a fine job, and this is a great forum for practitioners. You just do what you need to to keep this forum fresh and informative. I applaud your efforts. Now let me pose a question. What is your favorite 'bargaining position'? Is the opponent is grounded face up, face down or on his or her side? Regards, Sarge ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 7:53:15 PDT Subject: Re: eskrima: moderating > My main gripe came from the gun debate a year and a half ago. I felt that > you were promoting arguments that agreed to your views. Several people sent > mails to me at the time saying that they had sent responses to points that > had not been seen on the list. They subsequently decided to leave the list. > Some of the comments attributed to people via this list did no one any > favours at that time. You are correct. However, in the cases mentioned the few posts that were moderated out came after we were attempting to move on. Posts on BOTH sides of that particular issue were deleted in an attempt to move along to other threads. Some folks get upset when we move along too quickly, while others get upset if we don't move along quickly enough... But... we're getting off the original topic of this thread. Why is it that those, at least those that are forwarded to me, bashing this forum in some other forum seem to have never really been a member here??? Perhaps no one knows... I've been sent a half-dozen negative posts from said forum, yet not one was from someone that was ever a member here (as far as I can determine from our logfiles going back 7 years). That is what I find very confusing. I have even emailed these people asking for details of their issue, yet those emails remain unanswered. The censored forum vs. moderated forum topic is another thread that I'm very open to discussing, again, in public (briefly) or private, but my original question is what continues to confuse me. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 11:40:16 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #161 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.