From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #162 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 2 April 2001 Vol 08 : Num 162 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Moderation eskrima: Arnis Garimot seminar eskrima: Re:FMA fish mix..... you bet.... eskrima: Tough Job Re: eskrima: Re: Moderation eskrima: Aiki eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Lowery" Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 20:08:24 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Re: Moderation Hi Ray, >But... we're getting off the original topic of this thread. Why is it that those, at least those that are forwarded to me, bashing this forum in some other forum seem to have never really been a member here??? < Can I suggest you again look to Pat's message. People use different email address for different reasons (subterfuge being only one). This can explain why people who have been on this list and have moved onto the excrima-arnis list have used new/alternative addresses. Only recently I brought to the attention of the web community a blatantly anti-semitic slur used against me on another discussion forum. I sent the address to a number of discussion forums so that the originator of the abuse could find out what people who practice the FMA thought of openly racist comments. The email I sent this forum did not appear. It was relevant - I was advertising an FMA seminar and one of the proponents of an alternative system in this country (UK) objected to the advert being on a certain board. His comments were racist, objectionable, and totally out of context with the adverts theme. I know that a number of people have contacted the originator and let him know their feelings about racism. Those who subscribe to this forum and none of the others which I contacted will be unaware of the debate. I appreciate that you censor items which are off topic, or which are simply personal abuse, and also that sometimes its not you but the system (I have sent things which only appeared after the second or third attempt), nevertheless I feel that your comments about emailing people who then don't reply must be backed up. What did you ask? How was it phrased? Have you got history with these people (assuming you recognise the names involved - Jeff Finder is a regular contributor to the E-A)? In short, when a debate is being resurrected (Datu!), is or has become off topic, or is being abusive, then fine - cut it short. Too often it appears - and appearance is important - that its simply a matter that you don't like the topic or that you feel that the topic is showing your system or systems which you have connections with in a poor light, you cut it dead. No, this is not a public forum. And we accept that as participants. But if you want to run a forum debating anything, you have to accept that criticism as moderator is part and parcel of running a forum. Why did they not reply? Why not visit the E-A and ask them there? Bill Lowery ------------------------------ From: Tim Rivera Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 15:11:03 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Arnis Garimot seminar just a reminder about a seminar this weekend- The Majapahit Martial Arts Group of UMR is proud to be hosting Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet In this 2-day seminar, Guro Abon will be covering the Garimot system of Arnis de Mano, Harimaw Buno, Hilot, and the Larong Moro-Moro, dances which the Filipinos used to hide their martial arts from the Spanish. When - April 7 and 8 (Saturday and Sunday) 9:30 a.m. - 5 p.m. (1.5 hour lunch break) Where - Miner Recreation Building, Rolla, MO Cost - $30 for one day, $60 for both For more information, contact Tim Rivera at river@umr.edu or visit http://www.umr.edu/~maja/garimot.html or visit Gat Puno's website at http://www.garimot.com/ hope to see you there. ------------------------------ From: "Johnaleen" Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 16:57:34 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re:FMA fish mix..... you bet.... Kendal Wrote: *******If I am not mistaken the word "aiki" is Japanese for a > light brown fish gravey, yes I understand your contex> but I still find it an interesting mix.******* Hi Kendal "Ms J.. grin's Wickedly" I don't know and I cant ask him what he meant by it now... Like i said he is sort of Dead now... But.. If i see one of his son's again soon i will ask and I will ask my business partner, He will no doubts laugh when i forward this letter to him.. mainly because well GM Morrell by all accounts would have laughed you see... apparently this man had all there GI's custom made with full collars on them... when someone would ask why do you have a collar on a GI top? evidently his reply would be because no one else dose!!!!!!!! Maybe Jim used that word because it is what you look like and feel like after the art had been practiced on you....? heheh Ms.. J ..... Ms. Johnaleen Castro CEO/F.A.T.E. 1-888-526-4626 Victims Program Facilitating Awareness Through Empowerment FATE@f-a-t-e.org www.f-a-t-e.org ------------------------------ From: Danny Alvendia Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 15:23:14 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Tough Job Hey Ray, You are doing a great job. You cannot please everyone, there will always be others that will not conform or complain if it does not go their way. Just do an outside pass on that and move on. ====================== Danny Alvendia dannya@mayannetworks.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 17:32:15 PDT Subject: Re: eskrima: Re: Moderation > Only recently I brought to the attention of the web community a blatantly > anti-semitic slur used against me on another discussion forum. I sent the > address to a number of discussion forums so that the originator of the abuse > could find out what people who practice the FMA thought of openly racist > comments. > > The email I sent this forum did not appear. It was relevant - I was > advertising an FMA seminar and one of the proponents of an alternative > system in this country (UK) objected to the advert being on a certain board. > His comments were racist, objectionable, and totally out of context with the > adverts theme. Sorry, I do not recall seeing anything like that being sent in. However, I do - -attempt- to stay away from attacks on others that are not present on the list to defend themselves. Else you tend to get a farily one-sided and potentially biased 'discussion'. > nevertheless I feel that your comments about emailing people who then don't > reply must be backed up. What did you ask? How was it phrased? Have you got > history with these people (assuming you recognise the names involved - Jeff > Finder is a regular contributor to the E-A)? I just recently learned that Jeff was one of those on that forum. What Jeff did in this forum that caused the problem was two long years ago, hopefully he is well over that by now. I know that I am. Hopefully we both learned from that experience have moved well beyond it. No, to my knowledge I had no history with the folks I emailed. As I mentioned I was unable to tell that they had ever been a member of our forum. > which you have connections with in a poor light, you cut it dead. No, this > is not a public forum. And we accept that as participants. Actually, this is a public forum, but it is a moderated forum. It is widely advertised, no one must pass a background check to join, it is open to all, it is free to the public. What it is not is a public unmoderated forum, e.g. rec.martial-arts. I expect to hear from people if they are unhappy with things, but I also can only moderate in the best fashion I am able. This is to hopefully ensure that we have more signal than noise. Even with that a few individuals will still remain unhappy that I didn't allow them to openly attack Jeff F., or Mark Wiley, or post the latest NRA letter to the public, or new virus warning, or requesting that we vote for/against 'soft money', or claim that they are the God of Serrada or ... As long as the other 99% of ya'll are happy. Anyway, hopefully now it is time to move on. Back to FMA. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com P.S. Thanks for all the private emails. Much appreciated. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:46:48 PDT Subject: eskrima: Aiki > If I am not mistaken the word "aiki" is Japanese for a > light brown fish gravey, yes I understand your contex but I > still find it an interesting mix. Aiki, as in Aiki-JuJutsu? Perhaps the difference is in the romanization. e.g. Karate-do vs. Karate-do. Both are romanized the same, yet the graphs/characters differ. One version is Open Hand Way (newer name for 'Karate') and the other is China Hand Way (original name for 'Karate'). Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 20:53:01 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #162 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.