From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #179 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thur, 12 April 2001 Vol 08 : Num 179 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Cutting Practice eskrima: Easter eskrima: Dos Manos/Jeff Allen, No further comments/ thanks, eskrima: Derobio info eskrima: Re: Dos Manos Posts eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Buz Grover" Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:13:42 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: Cutting Practice Ray asks: <> I spent a lot of time in institutional kitchens; one of my favorite fighting blade targets were bales of recycled cardboard. Practicing slashes on cardboard bales was not all that useful, but they are great for practicing thrusts. They also work well if you are into throwing blades; I stuck my share of knives, sherikens (sp?), broad knives, and those big nails you can pick up at the hardware store into the aforesaid. Be aware that if you thrust into a bale of cardboard on the wrong axis you will likely wrench your wrist, and will hence learn to thrust along a straight axis. Also, don't cut more than one piece of the strapping that holds the bale together unless you want someone from building services to jabber at you excitedly. Most folks on the list, though, won’t likely encounter the best practice medium I’ve found, steamship rounds of beef. Steamship rounds are haunches of beef wrapped around a thighbone that weigh upwards of fifty pounds. In one kitchen I worked, we'd end up with a steamship round that needed to be diced into soup meat a couple times per year. Before it got cubed up, though, I'd lay into it with a (well sanitized) fighting knife. Occasionally I'd go raid the lost and found for a piece of clothing, sanitize it, and then toss it over a steamship round. Learned a lot of interesting things that way. For instance, I like targeting the femoral at the groin. Dinged up my Randall model 1 discovering the brass brads on blue jean watch pockets above and outboard of the femoral. I'm glad there wasn't any loose change in that watch pocket. Same deal with zippers and buttons: avoid thrusting or slashing towards 'em unless the return is worth the damage to the blade. Finally, go hit the used bookstore and buy a book on fruit and vegetable garnishes. Learning how to make a tomato rose may not sound like FMA training, but the fine mechanics learned while doing so easily translate to gross mechanics when adrenaline is pumping. Indeed, as someone still new to the FMA I often look pretty stupid trying to get my blade to the target. Once my blade lands, though, my hand knows what to do to get the most cutting done as quickly as possible. Regards, Buz Grover ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:17:06 PDT Subject: eskrima: Easter For those so inclined... wishing you a happy Easter Sunday. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:05:18 EDT Subject: eskrima: Dos Manos/Jeff Allen, No further comments/ thanks, Jeff Allen, Thanks for your response, I have no further question, I fully understand now where you coming from. Again, I still want to have a quiete dinner and drink with you someday. Thanks you and is a pleasure discussing things with you, even we start with mis-understanding, you carried yourself true to your feelings without losing your points ang guards. I wish to meet Hock my self and work with him, and change ideas. I myself are familiar with Modern Arnis System by Remy Presas. Like I said is always nice to learn something you dont know. Thanks again, please dont hesitate to post next time. Discussion is way of proression. Keep up the the good works. Gumagalang ng Lubos/with all respect, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 15:52:41 PDT Subject: eskrima: Derobio info FYI, I recently had a very nice chat with Regional High Chief Chris Siangco, Derobio Escrima Pedoy Style, down in San Diego. http://www.homestead.com/pedoyescrima/Pedoyescrima.html info added to our FMA FAQ. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: szorn@webtv.net (S ZORN) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 19:00:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: eskrima: Re: Dos Manos Posts I am not sure why there is so much debate here. Someone asked a simple question regarding Hock's DMS course and it's relation to the staff and Jeff Allen politely replied. There was no mention of superior systems and definitely no "my style is better than your style" as some here have implied. Hock's SDMS is not Filipino Martial Arts per se, as Hock already stated in the e-mail Jeff Allen kindly posted. However, the DMS is influenced by Filipino Martial Arts as well as other methods of stick play. Just check out Hock's credentials to see where his training came from, it's clearly posted on his website. Yes, tons of Filipino systems include two-handed stick work, and by this I mean one stick being held by two hands, but most styles only devote a small portion of training time to this one aspect. Also, alot of these styles only teach a small portion of the material that actually exists or a small portion of the material that actually works out on the street. Hock's SDMS is a thorough course which emphasizes this one aspect. Nobody said that Hock's DMS material was superior to other styles teaching similar material. However, as Jeff already mentioned, two-handed stick techniques (regardless of where you learn them) can be more powerful than single stick techniques. This concept is based on a common sense fact that two hands are stronger than one. For example, has anyone ever tried bench pressing a 150 pound barbell with just one hand? If so, it's not likely that it was a success. Same goes with stick techniques, especially where grappling is concerned. Jeff Allen is one of Hock's high ranking instructors and is well versed in other systems as well. He also teaches various segments on Hock's video series, and does an excellent job. I have also trained under him at one of the seminars and can say without doubt that he is a well educated instructor that has spent alot of time researching the arts. In short, he knows his stuff and I would highly recommend him to anyone wanting to learn FMA. Steve ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:39:29 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #179 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.