From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #191 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 20 April 2001 Vol 08 : Num 191 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #189 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #190 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #190 eskrima: Mime-Version: 1.0 eskrima: Garimot Arnis/Buno/Hilot Summer Retreat eskrima: Knife Sharpening Alternatives eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:53:49 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #189 Georgios, Check Paul Vunak tape in Panther Production, He has tape about the Dumog. Now if you are looking other Filipino Wrestling, Check the www. garimot.com, open the Harimaw Buno Section, it should give you an idea the historical backround of the Filipino Wrestling. I hope it will help you, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA << Hi ppl, I was wondering if any of you out there could help me find more information about Dumog. I have looked around on the Internet, and tried to find any tapes or books on the subject, but was unsuccessful... Any of you guys know of any sources? You can either answer on the ED or send me email personally. Thank you all, Georgios Christou >> ------------------------------ From: "Johnaleen" Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 17:50:12 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #190 ****Unfortunately, you are discussing a cultural difference here. In the Western world money is considered proof of value.**** Observation and a side note: Only to some in the Western world is it Money considered Proof of Value: its said that Guro Dan Taught Classes for his first 10 years here and never charged for them.... i believe it was here in the western world... there are many teachers that i know personally that have not charged for teaching The arts... and Millions of people individually that give back with work and do not get paid for it.. in this culture. I, as well dont necessarily think that it has to always come down to money... I know that for some its proof of Value to be paid for something in dollars... but not by everyone in this culture is this so... I have personally found that worth of value comes more from experience... Paid for or not by the dollar...... there are huge numbers of people in the Western world that have spent there lives working for others and there community's without being paid in money dose that take away from the Value that it gave back to the community at large? and dose that mean because They were not paid for the work monetarily that they did not gain back huge amounts in other ways? or that what they did was not valid? I dont really want answers to all these questions there just things that came to mind when i read that one line... I know what the answers are for me... Ms J........ ------------------------------ From: Magdainst@aol.com Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 20:02:15 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #190 CASS MAGDA SEMINAR Will be covering various aspects of the training methods,specialized drills, fighting applications and fighting philosophy of Indonesian Pentjak Silat (several styles) and the related knife work of the Filipino Martial Arts. This Weekend (April 21-22) in Pittsburg PA, Sat/Sun Contact: Don Garon at PennKarate Academy (724) 941-4900 Magda Institute (818) 342-2455 ------------------------------ From: Luis Pellicer III Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:59:41 +0800 Subject: eskrima: Mime-Version: 1.0 >< They're > quick to let people know "You owe me some money" for the > haphazard stuff that they present. "Back in the days" > no one asked to be instructors, we were asked or we > just trained. This was true with both my Chinese and > Korean teachers. >> > >Unfortunately, you are discussing a cultural difference here. In the Western >world money is considered proof of value. > >While the whole issue of preceived value and quality can get somewhat shakey, >you also have to remember that many of the "true believers" of the people you >mention are indeed getting something out of it. If not an effective fighting >system, then at least the ability to say "I'm better than you because I know >an unbeatable fighting system" or "I study under grandmaster so - and -so." > >Whether or not we agree with it, there is a twisted symbiotic relationship >going on here and money is often the oil upon which it runs. > NOW I find out that I should've been charging big $ for people to listen....... ------------------------------ From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 22:23:09 EDT Subject: eskrima: Garimot Arnis/Buno/Hilot Summer Retreat Mark, As you requested, here are the info for the Garimot Summer Retreat. What: Garimot Arnis/Buno/Hilot Summer Retreat When: July 10-14, 2001 Where: Diplomat Country Club Resorts and Spa Dipolomat Way, Hallandle Beach, Fl. Fee: $250.00 before June 15 $300.00 at the door. Retreat will cover various Aspect of Combat in the Garimot System includes: Cinco Teros Largo Mano System (Basic undesrtanding of the Garimot Largo Mano), Laban Tulisan ( Seven Hunters Drills), Seven Drills that will guide you to fight in and out to Largo and Corto range, the invassive and defensive technical philosophy of the arts, that essential in any combat range. Abaniko and Sinawali, the used of the Double stick in Fanned pattern and Criss cross weaving pattern, and application, Larong Moro-moro 1-5 (Batalya or Combat Dance 1-5 and application). Knife Fighting, Basic opening of Balisong, Tres Puntos System (Sambutan Drills and Tabuyan Drills), various disarming techniques, basic locks and controls. Basic Understanding of the Harimaw Buno (Filipino Art of Wrestling), Animal Throws, Animal Exercises, Seven Animal mounted and reversal, essential joint locks, The BOX system and las but not the least.. Basic Hilot (Filipino Healing Arts) hand on training massage, understing the essense of pressure points in healing. The Grand finalle is the "Sparring Matches" experience for the first time to sparr comfidently using various techniques, that keep the Garimot System of Arnis undefeated in seven provinces Luzon.. Gumagalang/with respect, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA << Also Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet if I remember right I believe you have a seminar or training camp coming up in July? I think I read that on a previous ED. I don't get to read this the digest often so I missed when the issue was. Would you mind re posting the info or e mailing me on it. Again I need to set aside the time and money and convince my wife that I need to go. PLEEEEAAAAASSSSE Let me go honey. Last thing. I know Jeff Allen very well and I know that he meant no disrespect to anyone on this forum. Guro Abon I would gladly fill in for Jeff and buy you a meal and a drink if I can make it to your seminar. I would glad to relay anything that you would like to teach me/him about your culture etc. to him. Sorry for the length. Mark Lynn --- >> ------------------------------ From: "al sardinas" Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:47:50 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Knife Sharpening Alternatives Chris, Thanks for the additional info on using a belt sander to sharpen knives. Unfortunately, I don't have one neither do I have a vise. That's probably due to the fact that I'm all thumbs! A quick web search for a belt sander (not the exact specifications you recommended) and a vise showed that the price could exceed the cost of an Edgepro. However, I do appreciate your ingenuity. Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of Garimot System of Arnis ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 6:37:49 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #191 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.