From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #204 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 27 April 2001 Vol 08 : Num 204 In this issue: eskrima: Oregon teachers eskrima: Reading Re: eskrima: Reading eskrima: RE: Recommended reading eskrima: RE: Flow and TKD eskrima: defending with the staff eskrima: Seek here and yee shall find eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 10:33:57 EDT Subject: eskrima: Oregon teachers From Marc MacYoung << Animal had posted something about Corvallis. Could you please send that again? >> I did? DOH! I think I might have, but I lumped it in the general area of a larger town. I forget where it is. Where are you located again? ------------------------------ From: "Hutchins, Jamie" Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 10:40:03 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Reading I have and have read Memories. Essential? What about it do you believe is essential for any serious martial artist? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com - ------------------------------ Hey man I was asking the question! Sheesh. The DBs website says: "GM Giron, now in his late 80s, used his FMA skills in WW2 as part of the "eyes & ears" for General MacArthur's return to the Philippines. His book "Memories Ride the Ebb of Tide" is required reading for any serious student of the FMA. We haven't trained with him very much, but each and every occasion is treasured. His presence inspires." Ok so sue me I misquoted. On second thoughts don't, please! Thanks to Kelvin for the links to some good FMA books and a link to Kris Cutlery who sell the Giron book (I better get my order in before everyone buys it). All the best... and here's to new discussion. Jamie ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 8:37:06 PDT Subject: Re: eskrima: Reading > Hey man I was asking the question! Sheesh. As was I. Why take it so strongly? > Thanks to Kelvin for the links to some good FMA books and a link to Kris > Cutlery who sell the Giron book (I better get my order in before > everyone buys it). Not too worry, Cecil (aka Kris Cutlery) should have plenty of copies left. Please let us know what you think after reading it. If you can pick it up and stay with it, you're a better man than I am... :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Jeremy Bays" Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 10:18:46 -0500 Subject: eskrima: RE: Recommended reading I jumped on my "super secret library search engine" and found out that Leo Giron's book "The Memories Ride the Ebb of Tide" is availible at Cornell University in New York. They are a lending library so maybe you can get it through Inter Libray Loan from your local library. The problem is that this is the only copy in the library system of the United States. That makes for a waiting list. Hope this helps someone. Jeremy Bays ------------------------------ From: "Wallace, John" Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 08:18:04 -0700 Subject: eskrima: RE: Flow and TKD I'll second Ray's endorsement here..the light's finally coming on for me in how to flow with TKD, although it took me ~2 1/2 years. Especially when it comes to defending against kicks, you can't just throw a block, you need to evade. TKD teaches an angular evasion against a linear technique (front kicks, side kicks, etc), and linear evasion against an angular technique (turning kicks, hooking punches, sweeps & so on). Its a lot more about not being where your opponent intends to attack. Good TKD is a lot more fluid than its bashers would have you believe, and I couldn't disagree more with the original poster's statement about the art element...although with only a year's exposure to it he was no doubt doing just the simplest, linear forms in the style. Incidentally, I don't mean any personal disrespect sir. Personally, I study TKD for the art aspect, and escrima & jujitsu to widen the arsenal of self defense techniques. - -JW From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 7:30:00 PDT Subject: Re: eskrima: Filipino and other Martial Arts Training > - Tae Kwon Do is mainly a "step back and fight" style, with no > discernible art other than rigid, hard style forms, and the self defense > was a joke. (My opinion is based on 1 year of training under a 9th > degree black belt... I couldn't stand it anymore than that) This is where I first saw and learned the concept of flow. More of step back, forward, angle up, angle back, flow with their rhythm and fight style. Excellent self-defense, but it does take more than a year for the light to come on. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Gerald Boggs Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:57:26 -0700 Subject: eskrima: defending with the staff Good day out there. The subject is defending with the staff. Briefly defining a Staff, IMOA, a staff is a stick that you need to use both hands to control properly. That doesn't mean that it can't be used with one hand. Just the control is much better with two hands. Back to the subject. Defending with the staff, There appears to be two main thoughts. Constant movement and control of the center line. First thought, The staff is kept in constant movement with broad circular sweeps to block or deflect the incoming weapon and counter strike on the end of the circle. The other is maintaining the tip on your opponent and using angling blocks to stop or deflect the other weapon. Both, if done well appear to leave you in a position to return with a counter strike. The first is what I think I've seen done by people training in the Inosanto blend. The other, from the Japanese Jo and The Grand Baton. The Question. Has anyone's training in the staff progressed to the point where they have opinions, advice, or insights as to the pros and cons of positioning of the staff during the defense. I find that I am leaning toward the tip on centerline school. It fits in my box. One of the things I like about it. As you are always trying to maintain the tip of your weapon on centerline. It makes it harder for your opponent to draw your weapon out to where it is no longer in a position to defend. A Reference to the type of blocking I'm referring to download Alfred Hutton's 'Cold Steel' 1889 publication date. It's found on the http://www.thehaca.com site. Gerald D. Boggs Jr. Life is good ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 09:51:07 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Seek here and yee shall find Jamie asked: "A question for Marc Denny or anyone else who knows! I noticed on the DB website that you recommended the book "Memories ride the ebb of tide" by GM Giron. As I understand it this is a memoir of his experiences during WWII and of using Escrima in real combat... it sounds fascinating. In fact I believe it is recommended as essential reading for any serious martial artist! Do you or anyone else know where this is available from?" There is a link for Giron System on our website. Try there. Crafty ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:11:32 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #204 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.