From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #205 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sat, 28 April 2001 Vol 08 : Num 205 In this issue: eskrima: Re:FMA + Other MA Training - My Thoughts eskrima: Re: Giron Book eskrima: staffplay eskrima: GM Giron's book eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "al sardinas" Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 14:03:05 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re:FMA + Other MA Training - My Thoughts Keith, After reading what you wrote about your instructor not considering Kali to be an art first, your thoughts on the limitations of Tae Kwon Do and Kenpo, the hated forms and your confusion on why you stuck with Balintawak so long, these are my negative thoughts: Regarding your current instructor, either this person does not know in depth the FMA he or she teaches, or is not confident of what he or she knows. Regarding this and everything else you wrote, I think of poor instructors, poor student and poor students of you and your instructors. And you and your current instructor are a perfect match! And you should stop calling yourself the "Escrima guy" in Phoenix, Arizona because you can ruin it for the rest of us who take the FMA's more seriously. Finally, a good drill for your martial arts training would be to first drill your mind. Pick up any book and read it from cover to cover, this way you could get the complete story not just the introduction. Okay, I know what I wrote is harsh but these are my honest thoughts. So let me give you another perspective in your favor. Maybe after all these years of training you have decided that by baring your martial arts history on this publc forum you are confessing or cleaning out the lows of your martial arts life. That you are seeking direction in making yourself a venerable exponent of FMA's. That is why you ask us for our thoughts. And I sincerely hope that I am right in this matter. Anyway, I know that by writing this I am exposing myself to ridicule and contempt by you and other members of ED. And maybe I should have never submitted this but I stand behind my honesty. Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of Garimot System of Arnis ------------------------------ From: Jivita@aol.com Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:38:14 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Giron Book <> I have a copy of the book and enjoyed reading it cover to cover. Of course I probably have a different perspective than Ray having a Pilipina wife and a grandfather stationed in the RP during WWII. ;) I don;t think it is essential reading but IMHO it is much more interesting than something like "Swish of the Kris". If you've ever contemplated laying out $100 bucks or more for "Swish of the Kris", don't. The plot is basically "The Spanish came, they got their butt kicked, they came back, they got their butt kicked, they stayed a while but eventually got their butt kicked." THAT was one book that I could never get through. (It did have some interesting anecdotes about Moro Pirates in the first few chapters but goes down hill after that. Fortunately, I bought it before all the hype.) JL. ------------------------------ From: "q" Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 13:53:46 -0700 Subject: eskrima: staffplay >From: Gerald Boggs >Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:57:26 -0700 >Subject: eskrima: defending with the staff > >Good day out there. The subject is defending with the staff. Briefly >defining a Staff, IMOA, a staff is a stick that you need to use both >hands to control properly. That doesn't mean that it can't be used with >one hand. Just the control is much better with two hands. Back to the >subject. Defending with the staff, There appears to be two main >thoughts. Constant movement and control of the center line. First >thought, The staff is kept in constant movement with broad circular >sweeps to block or deflect the incoming weapon and counter strike on the >end of the circle. The other is maintaining the tip on your opponent >and using angling blocks to stop or deflect the other weapon. Both, if >done well appear to leave you in a position to return with a counter >strike. The first is what I think I've seen done by people training in >the Inosanto blend. The other, from the Japanese Jo and The Grand >Baton. The Question. Has anyone's training in the staff progressed to >the point where they have opinions, advice, or insights as to the pros >and cons of positioning of the staff during the defense. I find that I >am leaning toward the tip on centerline school. It fits in my box. >One of the things I like about it. As you are always trying to >maintain the tip of your weapon on centerline. It makes it harder for >your opponent to draw your weapon out to where it is no longer in a >position to defend. A Reference to the type of blocking I'm referring >to download Alfred Hutton's 'Cold Steel' 1889 publication date. It's >found on the http://www.thehaca.com site. >Gerald D. Boggs Jr. >Life is good Hi Gerald, I'm a 27ish year Inosanto guy and learned both ways and use both plus had lots of other instructors in FMA and other arts. Actually Guro Dan and Bustillio taught as one unit never separated as you describe. For the staff or any weapon you just use the typical FMA with variations based on weapon attribute. There is no magic. An individual may find that they prefer one weapon over the other but what you see when people spar is that they move the same regardless of weapon. Now as to tip on the centerline or tips sticking out it does not matter just like it does not matter how you stand for empty hand sparing. There is no position as everything in play is dynamic. Your tips to the side as well as tip to the centerline should be not so much thought of as how to be defensive but how to be counter-offensive. The thought should not be on how you recieve his shot but what are the likely directions his weapon will come so that I can be one step ahead and have my path to deliver my shot already in play. If you are even better you preempt his motion and intercept before he even moves. With this last highest level you can see how your tip position is now made a non-issue because it does not matter since you have already nailed him. The problem that you are experiencing is not thinking (not an insult by the way) about the dynamics of combat, in that you are thinking of starting from 2 people bowing and squaring off to fight. This goes back to Ms J/Crafty discussion on heavy contact in that my position is that you can't understand combat without some level of realisim. Furthurmore this brings up points that the Animal makes about street fights often starting from ambush. The ambusher likely wins by surprise and the ambushee thinks he has time to square-off and evaluate and react. Well you have time to react and that is it or you are boot fodder. So throw all positions out the window . Let a third party start your contest with your partner at anytime (not when you are both squared and ready) and see how that alters the mix. You will see how tip position or on-guard position means nothing. You will find out how important dynamic reaction is. Regards, Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S. Redondo Beach, Ca ------------------------------ From: "Ingmund Forberg" Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 21:01:22 Subject: eskrima: GM Giron's book For Manong Giron's book go to www.gironarnisescrima.com Take care, IF _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 8:28:53 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #205 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.