From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #216 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 7 May 2001 Vol 08 : Num 216 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #215 eskrima: Eskrima on O'ahu eskrima: TKD eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #214 Re: eskrima: TKD eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 20:04:21 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #215 In a message dated 5/6/01 6:00:45 PM Mountain Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << It is with great pleasure that I announce the commencement of a class in Dog Brothers Martial Arts at the Inosanto Academy on Saturdays at 1:00. The first class will be on Saturday May 19. >> Kewl!!! Congrats amigo ------------------------------ From: Saturbo@aol.com Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 20:44:19 EDT Subject: eskrima: Eskrima on O'ahu I've been living on the island of O'ahu for the past 5 months, and now that I am all settled in, I am really interested in finding a FMA school to work out at. I know of the Hawai'i Escrima Club, and I've heard of a man who teaches in Waipahu, and another man (maybe the same man) who teaches a form of Vilabrille Kali somewhere on the island, but I have no contact information. Could any local eskrimadors help me out with my search? Thanks, R. Saturno JR. ------------------------------ From: kalkiusa@netscape.net Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 21:41:06 -0400 Subject: eskrima: TKD Hey, I hope no one took my comments as "picking on" TKD ... I was not ... simply relating my own experience ... the first of my TKD teachers was "serious" ... the second was "commercial". The second was actually the most knowledgeable, but the first was a continuing student (hapkido, kung fu, etc.). They both emphasized that Chinese and Korean peoples and martial arts are essentially (in their minds) the same (well, after all the Koreans are Hans). I have to wonder about this statement though ... > Good Olympic TKD guys can kick faster and HARDER than most > everyone else, including good Muay Thai or Kickboxers. Not very long ago a Korea-based Korean master watched his fighters get beaten by Thai boxers. The experience was a strong enough motivator to cause him to go to Thailand and study Thai Boxing ... he created a new style of Korean Kickboxing when he returned to Korea. How this relates to "good Olympic TKD guys? I don't know ... but the TKD "stylists who were getting the worst end of the bouts with Thai boxers were in Korea. Ah, I think I just remembered the name of the style that this master created, I think it was "Kun Gek Do". > The footwork taught for Olympic TKD is excellent. Seriously. I hate to tell it but I didn't learn any footwork in TKD outside of the forms (6 years). However, I know that there is some to learn ... my most recent TKD contact started to train me to fight in the Masters and we started to work on kick-related footwork ... he showed me somthing like the take-off (reverse triangle work). That was the end of that as he fell back into the commercial rut he'd fallen into after 20 years of teaching people who accepted forms and yelling as what it's all about. He actually advised me away from teaching functional things in black belt classes and to kids whose parents wanted them to learn real self defense. I once felt that an era was passing when Master Kwan Ro of Northern Virginia quit teaching a long time ago. When I spoke with him about wanting to work with him he directed me to other teachers who might teach "seriously". Kwan Ro was one impressive son-of-a-gun!!! Mitakeyu Oyasin. Be well, Mik __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Kevin Davis" Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 22:23:41 -0400 Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #214 As a certified instructor in ERD's (Electronic Restraint Devices) and the Advanced Air Taser as well as having actually used the devices on the street, I submit the following: Stun guns or ERD's are marginally effective. At best they are were 50% effective on the street with my department. The reason is, as someone has already mentioned, you have to "bury" both probes on the target for at least 5 seconds to get the desired effect. If one of the probes loses contact (the target moves) you're back to square one. About the only time I was glad I had one is a fight on the ground on a sheet of ice where I couldn't establish any kind of base to generate striking power. The Advanced M26 Air Taser is a different story. Having taken a hit from this on my right leg, I felt like someone hit me in my common peroneal with a sledge hammer. I remained standing for all of 1/2 second before saying, "ah sh*t!" and ending up on the deck. I was a little "fuzzy" for about 5 minutes although I got right back up after the current was stopped. We have had two fields usage's of the M26 and both were successful (one guy had slashed his wrists with a straight razor and was bleeding out two feet). Additionally a neighboring department has also had a success on a guy armed with two scissors. You can check out some videos at www.airtaser.com KD > > Has anyone ever attempted to translate knife techniques to the use of > > electronic stun guns? > > I've done knife sparring with stun guns instead of practice > blades. It hurt > a bit less than a hornet sting. Before everyone says "Oh, but that's not a > REAL stun gun. It's the wimpy civilian-issue ones. COP stun guns are much > different," I will have to assure you that isn't the case. These > were umpty- > ump-hundred-thousand-volt-special-square-wave-and-amped-up-police stun guns. > > The fine print I've gotten with every set of instructions mentions that it > is "most effective" if placed in continuous contact with the eyes, throat, > center of the chest, or genitals for at least 3-4 seconds. I > contend that if > you can hold it to someone's goolies for four seconds you aren't > really in a fight. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 19:56:17 PDT Subject: Re: eskrima: TKD > > Good Olympic TKD guys can kick faster and HARDER than most > > everyone else, including good Muay Thai or Kickboxers. > > Not very long ago a Korea-based Korean master watched his fighters get > beaten by Thai boxers. The experience was a strong enough motivator to > cause him to go to Thailand and study Thai Boxing ... he created a new > style of Korean Kickboxing when he returned to Korea. How this relates to > "good Olympic TKD guys? I don't know ... but the TKD "stylists who were > getting the worst end of the bouts with Thai boxers were in Korea. Ah, I > think I just remembered the name of the style that this master created, I > think it was "Kun Gek Do". Korean kick boxing, similar to muay Thai, is Kyuk Too Ki and has been around Korea for several/many years. FWIW, I too have never seen anyone kick as fast or as hard as an -elite- level TKD player. They make the pro muay Thai and kick boxing folks look like they are moving in slo-mo. No bull... But they -do- play by different rules and kick boxing rules are a bit closer to 'the street' than are TKD rules. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 6:47:52 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #216 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.