From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #220 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 8 May 2001 Vol 08 : Num 220 In this issue: eskrima: Kun Gek Do eskrima: kicks eskrima: Re: Pepper spray, stun guns, and kicks (oh my) eskrima: Mas eskrima: Modern Arnis Update (fwd) eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kalkiusa@netscape.net Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 11:26:46 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Kun Gek Do Kyuk Too Ki is known as Streetfighting in Korea. Re: Kun Gek Do, here ya go . . . The National Kun Gek Do headquarters is located in Pusan, Korea. Numerous branch dojang have spread throughout the country, but because of the competition, they have so far met with limited success. The immediate impression upon entering the headquarters dojang was one of surprise. This was no ordinary Korean training center. A full one-third of the hall contained only weight-training equipment. Other eye-catchers included a kickboxing ring taped off on the floor, a well-used heavy bag and a plank wrapped with rope. It was difficult to determine whether this hall was for drilling in the rigors of a true martial art or merely working up a sweat while practicing a martial sport. Head instructor Kim Jung-su was more than happy to clear up the confusion. It seems that after nearly 30 years' experience in the martial arts, particularly taekwondo, founder Jung Do-mo was satisfied, comfortable with his skill. Then, as the story has it, he witnessed a demonstration match between a traditional stylist and a kickboxer. The traditional stylist was demolished. That unsettling outcome forced Jung to reconsider that to which he had devoted his life--the traditional Korean martial arts. After a short time, Jung realized just what was needed--a hybrid combination of the traditional Korean styles and the strange-but-effective sport that originated in Thailand. So, off he went to learn "muay Thai" kickboxing. After more than three years of intensive study and grueling practice abroad, Jung created kun gek do. The name kun gek do was also a brainchild of Jung. "Kun" is really pronounced "gwun" and means fist or punch. "Gek" should be pronounced "gyuk" and is part of the work "gong gyuk," meaning attack. And "do," of course, means the art or way. There you have it: kun gek do, the art of attacking and punching. Kun gek do has borrowed its hand techniques from boxing and kickboxing. The gloved fists are held high to protect the head. No open-hand movements are used, the reason being that most practitioners execute them improperly, Jung says. And when blocking or striking with full power, broken or dislocated fingers can result. Additionally, the use of gloves greatly restricts hand positions other than a closed one. The foot techniques involved come from both taekwondo and kickboxing. Naturally there is the front kick, pushing rather than snapping out; the back kick; the side kick; and the spinning hook kick. These are the staples of the Korean arts. But also incorporated into kun gek do is the Thai-style roundhouse kick. That means kicking with the leg almost fully extended and impacting with the lower part of the shin. The power generated is considerably greater than it would be if a snapping motion were used. An interesting point of this art is the stress placed on combinations. In kun gek do, combinations are not simply one-two series attacks; they are simultaneous attacks. Kicking and punching at the same time utterly confuses the opponent, and in most cases he will not be able to defend himself completely. A rear-hand punch with a roundhouse kick is a typical combination. This and others like it are definitely not for the beginner. Long hours of training are required before one can deliver both strikes with sufficient power and proper balance. Thai kickboxing is famous for its lunging knee smashes and elbow strikes. Kun gek do naturally has retained both devastating moves. They are taught and practiced only with great care and, of course, with protective gear. And a fighter is allowed to use them only in a professional free-style match. Or on the street. Unfortunately, many Korean styles regard these two techniques as lacking in martial spirit, and they neglect to teach them entirely. More than 30 years ago, the Korea Kun Gek Do Association devised 27 self-defense techniques intended to be practical in modern society. They are simple, effective and easy-to-learn routines designed for defense against a knife, a staff and even an iron bar. The kun gek do stylist can rest assured that any one of his self-defense techniques will leave his attacker unconscious or worse. Somewhat strangely, this martial art does not teach any kind "ki" (internal energy) development. Jung believes that the majority of martial arts students have virtually no ability to control their ki and probably will not study long enough to learn. Therefore, he concentrated on "wae gong," or external energy, which is developed by increasing physical strength through weight training and refining technique through endless repetition. Not surprisingly, every kun gek do class includes a great deal of full-contact sparring. Even beginners are introduced to it after only a few lessons. A kickboxing-ring-sized area marked with tape can be found in most dojang. A few establishments are lucky enough to have a full-sized, elevated ring complete with regulation ropes. During practice, light boxing gloves and groin and chest protection are worn, along with a uniform. But for the professional fighter getting ready for a tournament, only boxing gloves and shorts are allowed. To prepare students for actually striking a human target, kun gek do employs two training methods. The first involves extensive use of the heavy bag for kicks, punches and elbow and knee attacks. In excess of 120 pounds, it closely simulates a heavy, impact-absorbing target like a human body. The other is a wooden board about 10 inches wide, wrapped with an old kind of rope made of rice straw. The students simply kick and punch the rough coils with increasing power, both to harden their striking surfaces and to strengthen the related bones and joints. Perhaps the climax of the kun gek do stylist's training, first coming some two years after training has commenced, is the tournament. There are many which he can enter, up to one a month in larger cities. Tournaments fall into two categories: those that follow traditional sparring rules and those that follow kickboxing rules. The exact regulations depend on which style is sponsoring the tournament. However, kun gek do stylists are accustomed to training under slightly different rules and then trying their best to follow them. Jung estimates that 60 percent of all successful tournament techniques use the hands. Kun gek do, a relatively recent creation from two more established and recognized styles, seems still in its infancy in Korea. Lately, the number of dojang and students has been climbing. And if that is any indication, the future appears bright for this no-nonsense, down-to-earth martial art. - -------------------------- Re: kicking trees and telephone poles ... yow, I'd nevuh ... but then I will use the metal poles that support my house tor train kicks, elbows and sweeps/reaps. Padded of course!!! (Hah-hah) The padding protects from crushing injury ... the stationary objects provide jarring impact beynod compare. In Shuai Chiao, the poles are used to train/test sweeps/reaps/throws, e.g., suspend self with feet off the ground by wrapping one arm and a leg around the pole ... a worthwhile goal to increase the slam factor of kung fu/silat dump'em attacks. Mitakeyu Oyasin. Be well, Mik __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 8:46:26 PDT Subject: eskrima: kicks > My intro to leg kicks came in kung fu training. First one was a stomp-like > kick to the shin ... direct frontal attack ... like "sipat" but a straight > line at a dowbward angle. An unexpected variant was kicking the rear leg > instead of the front standing toe-to-toe, right lead to left lead. Sounds like a slight variation to Basic Kick #1 in GM JI Han-jae's Hapkido. The longer we explore the more complete the circle becomes... :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 12:33:53 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Pepper spray, stun guns, and kicks (oh my) In a message dated 5/8/01 9:06:35 AM Mountain Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << A better test might be. You get spotted the kick in the nuts and the pepper spray. He gets a big curved knife and the promise of $50 each time he makes a hole in you. Would you be as confident then? Or *shudder* your confederate has the test subject's three year old daughter and a broken Coke bottle. He'll rape her with it if he or she doesn't kill both of you. Would you even want to be in the same county? Is this before or after I blow his chest out with a shotgun blast? Different degrees of force entirely. I wouldn't use a non-lethal response against the immediate threat of lethal force. Those responses wouldn't even come into play against the scenarios you mention. A few years ago I was at SOF convention. Bram Frank and Andy Stanford and I were in a room where they were running a test. They put you into a square and on the ground around you and the square were various weapons. Before you was an "attacking alien." Andy was standing right next to me and explaining the rules of the test to me. I asked him what the catch was. He said no catch. I didn't beleive him. So when he said "GO!" I immediately grabbed him and threw him into the attacking alien. Then I snatched up a shotgun and fired two rounds. Bram was shaking his head in laughter, when he finally caught is breath he looked at me and said "You have been there...." It's true. See when you deal with extremes you get a different mindset. And a signficant part of that mindset is recognizing when you can't mess around. This totally alters your course of action. Against a potentially lethal threat, you CANNOT play catch up. By then it is too late, you will lose. This is why I am such a strong advocate of martial artists - especially weapons based systems practictioners - to go out and take Masaad Ayoob's two day Judicious Use of Lethal Force course. By knowing the narrow band of extreme circumstances where you are legally justified to use lethal force you will know when it is time and when it is not time to use lethal force. By extension you will know when it is NOT time to try anything that won't be immediately effective. Pepper spray and non-lethal blows against a knifer is NOT on the today's to-do list ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 13:49:00 PDT Subject: eskrima: Mas > This is why I am such a strong advocate of martial artists - especially > weapons based systems practictioners - to go out and take Masaad Ayoob's two > day Judicious Use of Lethal Force course. By knowing the narrow band of > extreme circumstances where you are legally justified to use lethal force you > will know when it is time and when it is not time to use lethal force. By > extension you will know when it is NOT time to try anything that won't be > immediately effective. Agreed. Or better yet take the full LFI-I class. 4 long days and $700, but a great learning experience, IMHO. http://www.ayoob.com Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 18:08:08 PDT Subject: eskrima: Modern Arnis Update (fwd) Forwarded message: Greetings, I'm proud to announce the construction of the World Modern Arnis Alliance (WMAA) website www.wmarnis.com. This site is dedicated to Modern Arnis and it's founder Grandmaster Remy A. Presas. The WMAA is headed up by GM Presas' Highest active ranked black belt Datu Tim Hartman. Our site has information on upcoming seminars, tournaments and camps. Feel free to make any suggestions on our site, your input is valued. Janice Stranc Administrative Assistant World Modern Arnis Alliance ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 18:12:58 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #220 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.