From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #221 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 9 May 2001 Vol 08 : Num 221 In this issue: eskrima: Attention: Mr. Rocky Paswik eskrima: Thai roundkick seminar eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #220 eskrima: Money, Marketting and MA eskrima: Re: Bone cancer eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ginom@info.com.ph Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 10:17:04 +0800 Subject: eskrima: Attention: Mr. Rocky Paswik Mr. Paswik, I understand you trained Balintawak under Mr. Buot. I am a Filipino that shares your passion and am currently training under another Balintawak GM who trained under GM Bacon about the same time Mr. Buot did. If you don't mind, I would like to ask you a few questions regarding this matter privately. If this is all right, could you please e-mail me directly at ginom@info.com.ph Many thanks. ------------------------------ From: NYCAinfo@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 22:32:28 EDT Subject: eskrima: Thai roundkick seminar Ajarn Prasit Thangdong, veteran head trainer of Saktaywon Kai Muay in Bangkok, will hold his first US seminar focusing exclusively on the understanding and use of the roundkick in Muay Thai. His goal is to focus on how to safely and effectively train and build up this powerful kick as well as to answer the many questions including how to condition, practice and build a proper training routine. The rudiments of how to defend against it including shin blocks will be covered as well. This progressive training regimen will allow the practitioner to immediately put these principles to work in their own training. Ajarn Prasit recently relocated to New York City from Bangkok to begin teaching a future generation of Muay Thai fighters and trainers the full spectrum of the art he has learned in his thirty years of training and teaching in Bangkok. He is also an experienced veteran of over 100 fights in all the meccas of thai boxing in thailand. Ajarn Prasit is also available to do seminars. The Thai Roundkick: Attacking and Defending Basics Saturday, May 26th Cost: $30 Location: Ultimate Gym Muay Thai camp 1 east 28th Street off of 5th Avenue 2nd floor, New York, NY 10016 212 725-4666 email: Muaythainyc@aol.com I know Ajarn Prasit from thailand and this is a great opportunity to learn from an excellent trainer. Vincent Giordano ------------------------------ From: ken jo Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 22:14:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #220 hello ray: I have observed that most (tho not all) eskrimadors learn FMA at an advanced age already (late teens, mid-twenties or early thirties)... Tho most Kali warriors are exposed to the FMA at an early age, most become masters of other martial arts before appreciating the niceties of FMA, why this is so is something that is worth discussing about... I may be wrong but it is my opinion that Kali/FMA is somewhat like a doctorate in the martial arts world - it concentrates more on the principles of combat and less on techniques (that's why FMA practicioners can easily adapt to other styles/arts). It retains its 'purity' because of the constant practical application of its principles by FMA practicioners. Because of this, one easily discovers what works and what doesn't. And I personally think that this is how it should be. I wouldn't want to teach something which I have not personally proven to be effective and efficient. Remember "...the proof of the pudding is in the eating..." ;-) KALI! Kenjo73 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Stephen Jones" Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 08:21:03 Subject: eskrima: Money, Marketting and MA Hi, I rarely contribute. But when people started to talk about money's effect on martial arts a while back- it got me thinking. Its a bit of a taboo subject really so I'll tread lightly :). Sometimes it can work out really well to spread the arts. Reaching out to people, getting people involved, capturing imaginations, informing.... But other times it may serve to dilute/change the arts. Especially when students get the only experience in the arts come from seminars or big groups. Rather than small groups where a student can readily absorb the knowledge and culture from someone who has spent a long time actively training at a good quality in the art. As a general example: a friend of mine recently told me of a giant martial arts organisation, which is now offering Doce Pares instruction. I checked out their web site, and I dont wanna point the finger (so no names)- but I did think hmmm.......... The heads of the organisation have all been given dans in Arnis together at a meeting, the CEO is now a 5th dan. They are now offering a blackbelt instructors equivalency course for their club instructors in Arnis. Bascally, its one paid up front 12 hour seminar in Doce Pares- to get to instructor level (blackbelt) in the style for current instructors of the organisation. Funny, as when I trained at the organisation mentioned some years ago I never heard FMA even mentioned once. Some people here might agree that promotions based on organisational/business perspectives are necessary and defensible. I disagree, as people expect a minimum level of expert knowledge, acculturation and commitment from the highly ranked students/instructors in the system - not business acumen. My point is- money isnt always conducive to quality in the arts. Money can distort priorities as people move to capture markets and merge organisations. So, old proverb for this one is 'buyer beware' - always check for quality. All the best, Steve. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ From: "Richard Killick" Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 10:20:27 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Re: Bone cancer I also used to do this type of training. When I started Muay Thai in 82 I had a sparring partner who was always just that little bit better than I was, you know his timing, fitness etc. We used to shin kick the hard thai bags, poles with carpet wrapped around them, sandbags and also tractor tires dug in to the ground. In 1985 my friend died of bone cancer, which as I understand, started in the legs............. I have posted this before and people have said, well there is no prove that the impact training did the damaged or is linked to this type of cancer, however I really think that is what happened. Its up to you how far you go, I tell (ask) my students just to kick thai pads etc. They do point out that stick sparring with no gloves on, probably is not doing my hands any good. I really like the way Crafty Dog put it at a seminar. I don't know where he got in from or if he came up with it by himself but he divides a martial artists life up into three areas, young man/student, middle age man/teacher and finally the goal which is like Guro Dan or Dr Gyi, where you are not middle aged any more but you are still able to function and enjoy your training. I think that's right, if not hopefully Crafty will step in. Its no secret in the sports world, that you have to do regular reviews of your training programme. Often the Dog Brothers are criticised for their hard fighting approach and the resulting injuries. I have noticed that they have some secret stuff like the Bando staff training which has helped my shoulder injury a lot and also the yoga type exercises from Brazilian Jujitsu, which I notice Roger Machardo will be teaching at their camp. Well worth looking into. Regards Richard Killick. > Re: kicking trees and telephone poles ... yow, I'd nevuh ... but then I will use the metal poles that support my house tor train kicks, elbows and sweeps/reaps. Padded of course!!! (Hah-hah) The padding protects from crushing injury ... the stationary objects provide jarring impact beynod compare. In Shuai Chiao, the poles are used to train/test sweeps/reaps/throws, e.g., suspend self with feet off the ground by wrapping one arm and a leg around the pole ... a worthwhile goal to increase the slam factor of kung fu/silat dump'em attacks. > > Mitakeyu Oyasin. > > Be well, > Mik ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 7:01:34 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #221 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.