From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #227 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sun, 13 May 2001 Vol 08 : Num 227 In this issue: eskrima: Re: CREATIVE women's self defense device eskrima: Re: Combat Arnis info and WUMA eskrima: Re: Doug Cuesta and Doce Pares ? eskrima: Peyton Quinn vs. Tony Blauer eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #182/ Kalis Ilustrisimo Seminar eskrima: 1 year Training/Hubud Re: eskrima: Re: Doug Cuesta and Doce Pares ? eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Johnaleen" Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 00:19:35 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: CREATIVE women's self defense device Blowtorch: "*hissss* *click* *FOOM!* *roar*" Her: "Talk to the puppet. No, no. Talk to the puppet." Woooo Wooo..... Baby..... you know an evil twist to this would be to make mace covers that looked like a roll of $50.00 bills. then have them on key chains....... or in the pocket..... give me your money............. hehehe Self defense 101 everything is a weapon.... FMA 101..... everything's the HUBUD............ that was for a friend of mine...........:) Ms J...... ------------------------------ From: abanico-video-knuettel@t-online.de (Dieter =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kn=FCttel?=) Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 09:19:13 +0200 Subject: eskrima: Re: Combat Arnis info and WUMA > From: GatPuno@aol.com > Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 23:39:43 EDT > Subject: eskrima: Combat Arnis info and WUMA?? > > Hello, > > It might help for your question, in regards of the Combat Arnis qusetion and > WUMA. > There's book published in 1979 by J.C. Brocka title :The Art and Science of > Philippine Combat Arnis and the WUMA is stand for World Union Martial Arts. > You can try to communicate to those International Modern Arnis Federation > (IMAF) to locate a copy for you in the Philippines. Okay enjoy your training > and keep the spirit alive. Mabuhay ang Arnis/Eskrima... > > Gumagalang, > > Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Hi, Jackson Cui Brocka was my first arnis teacher from 1978 to 1983. You are right in what you write about the book. I have got a copy. But why do you think it is possible to get a copy in the Philippines? It was produced and printed in Germany, where also the photos were taken. Also Brocka did not have any ties with the IMAF of Professor Remy Presas. He was a student of Ernesto and Roberto Presas of the International Philippine Martial Arts Federation, IPMAF, or rather before that, the Modern Arnis Associaton of the Philippines, MAAFP. Brocka had his own organisations called International Philippine Martial Arts Association, IPMAA and International Independent Karate Do Federation, IIKDF. He died in 1984 in a car accident and I think the organisation died with him. The WUMA always was only a name with no people or organisation behind it. Regards Dieter - -- Dieter Knüttel ABANICO Video Productions http://www.abanico.de European Modern Arnis Representative http://modern-arnis.de Achtung, Neue Adresse: Knyphausenstr. 2b 44287 Dortmund ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 07:23:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Doug Cuesta and Doce Pares ? A poster noted: Response: A quick question. Is Mr. Cuesta under GM Cacoy Canete's Doce Pares system or GM Cacoy Canete's nephew (?), GM Dionisio Canete's Doce Pares system. Was GM Dionisio Canete a student under GM Cacoy Canete before branching off. Hence, based on the foregoing would Mr. Cuesta be truly the highest ranking Doce Pares person in the U.S. Or would someone else have this stated honor. Just curious on the hierarchy breakdown. Not wanting to exacerbate any imagined dicotomies between GM Cacoy Canete and GM Dionisio Canete. Thanks, Ken __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 11:20:48 EDT Subject: eskrima: Peyton Quinn vs. Tony Blauer From Marc MacYoung << Response: Not to start a flame war, but is Peyton Quinn's work similar to Tony Blauer's work ? Who was the predecessor ? Who borrowed what from whom if there is a correlation between the two reality based combat training systems ? >> Having seen the results of both I personally recommend Peyton Quinn's ------------------------------ From: Plumador@aol.com Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 14:17:59 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #182/ Kalis Ilustrisimo Seminar KALIS ILUSTRISIMO SEMINAR JUNE 3, 2001 hosted by Dr. Hans Tan from Manila, Philippines. Here's some excerpts from the official flyer. When It comes to a life or death situation, no other system is more combat proven that Kalis Ilustrisimo. The Ilustrisimo family is both dreaded and respected in the toughest barrios of the Philippines due to the legacy of Masters such as the late Antonio 'Tatang' Ilustrisimo, his father Isidro Ilustrisimo, and Uncle Melicio Ilustrisimo. This family is known for frequently engaging in live blade confrontation and coming out victorious with all limbs accounted for. Despite such an adventurous existence they were still able to pass on due to natural cause. The current heir to the system is the humble, yet formidable Antonio Diego, who dedicated over 26 years of intensive training under 'Tatang'. In the early days, in order to obtain advanced techniques, master Diego had to get 'Tatang' drunk, resulting in Master Diego being ordered to the kitchen to get a sharp and attack from 'Tatang' from various angles. No one other Master Diego can represent Kalis Ilustrisimo in it's purest. Master Diego chooses only to have a handful of full time students, and even fewer to represent him. HANS TAN, is one of the few fortunate enough to be certified by Master Diego. Hans Tan also trained under the late Punong Guro, Edgar Sulite in LAMECO from 1990 to 1997. This seminar is highly recommended by any martial arts practicioner especially if you have any bladed weapon interest. This seminar will be an eye opener for all Kali Practicioners, see for yourself why several established eskrima schools acknowledge lineage or influence from the Ilustrisimo system. Experience first hand the techniques of Media Fraile, Boca y Lobo, and Warwok. This is no frills Combat Ilustrisimo - expand your arsenal and your mind. Don't miss this rare opportunity. Bring sticks, a training blade, workout clothes and an empty cup or an open mind. Hans Tan is in the US only once a year so don't miss out. WHEN: Sunday June 3, 2001 TIME: 10 am to 3 pm WHERE: SIPA (Search to Involve Pilipino Americans) 3200 W Temple Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90026 COST: $40 prepaid, $50 at the door INFO: Dino 323-258-4777 ------------------------------ From: "BILL MCGRATH" Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 01:21:24 -0400 Subject: eskrima: 1 year Training/Hubud Paul wrote: << I am willing to spend my savings/save more, etc and will travel to anywhere in the world - obviously the cheaper the location the better. >> My vote would be the Inosanto Academy of Martial Arts in CA. The curriculum has everything you could ask for drawing from several systems of weapons, grappling and striking. In addition to Guro Inosanto you also have some of the best instructors in the world teaching there regularly or coming in for seminars. To see the same amount of technique as you will see at the IAMA in a year by visiting schools of a single system would take a life time. Hubud: A drill very similar to hubud in Pekiti-Tirsia is called Segang-Labo ("Block and Pass" in Tuhon Gaje's home dialect). Generally Segang-Labo is practiced as a counter to the clinch so you can go to grappling. We first learned it during the two man timing drill phase of Pekiti-Tirsia called 64 Attacks as a co-drill with Break in-Break out. Later we practiced it as an entry platform for the stick chokes from corto range Seguidas. To break things down to their common denominator, you could use this teaching sequence 1. Largo range striking 2. Countering largo with entries and clinching to deliver medio range striking 3. Countering the clinch with Hubud to use with grappling You see the same sequence used in different NHB fights where long range strikes are smothered with the clinch while close range strikes are delivered and the close range strikes are smothered by grappling takedowns. Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath Visit the PTI web site at: http://www.pekiti-tirsia.com/index.html ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 7:37:03 PDT Subject: Re: eskrima: Re: Doug Cuesta and Doce Pares ? > Response: A quick question. Is Mr. Cuesta under GM Cacoy Canete's Doce > Pares system or GM Cacoy Canete's nephew (?), GM Dionisio Canete's Doce > Pares system. Was GM Dionisio Canete a student under GM Cacoy Canete before > branching off. Hence, based on the foregoing would Mr. Cuesta be truly the > highest ranking Doce Pares person in the U.S. Or would someone else have > this stated honor. Just curious on the hierarchy breakdown. Not wanting to > exacerbate any imagined dicotomies between GM Cacoy Canete and GM Dionisio > Canete. It is a politics things. Cacoy is clearly senior to Diony, his nephew whom he trained years ago. But Diony is Doce Pares International and Cacoy is Doce Pares Federation. 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