From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #262 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sat, 9 June 2001 Vol 08 : Num 262 In this issue: eskrima: RE: Challenges eskrima: Aggression eskrima: Rock n Rollover eskrima: Coming home eskrima: Eric Paulson Seminar - Livingston NJ eskrima: Tournament Rules eskrima: Re: Leg/ Back Pain eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Allen Eastwood Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 10:47:12 -0500 Subject: eskrima: RE: Challenges Jeeze, folks. How about putting some of this hoohaw about challenges into something useful....like bothering congress to really do something about the spam that keeps filling my inbox!!! ;-p I dunno...but a few years ago, I figured out that for me, at least, all this puffing your chest out stuff worked real well when I was 5 years old and wanted to be king of the sandbox. As I get older, I find there there's just more important stuff to spend my energy and time on. My $0.02 worth... - -Allen ------------------------------ From: Andrew R Breton Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 10:56:24 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Aggression > > Human Aggression: > Hey, is everyone on vacation? I have had six private emails giving > me > editorial help on my article on human aggression, (thank you all > very much), > but we have seen zero commentary on the subject here on the digest. > Regards, > Tuhon Bill McGrath > Visit the PTI web site at: http://www.pekiti-tirsia.com/index.html > Hi Tuhon, I'll take it on, but perhaps in a different direction. As a psychologist, I would also be interested in the perspective of the person who would potentially be aggressive towards me. I'm thinking of the mind set - maybe from a perspective like a profiler (as in John Douglas's book you mentioned), rather than a crime scene investigator who re-creates the aggressors strategy. (Okay, that was a loose analogy, but it gets better). See if the following fits into your theory: (Caveats: Realize I'm only describing these briefly and thinking as I write. Also, I'm using the male pronoun to keep things simple, and I mention racism not to express an opinion on it - I'm against - but because it does exist and it is a cause of aggression). EMOTIVE OR SYMBOLIC AGGRESSION This is the one I'm most familiar with. Early in my career, I spent a number of years working in a State mental hospital (working - that's the optimum word here). Although there was other types of violence, a large portion was violence that was letting steam off (mostly at being confined or having to follow certain rules). If it was directed at me, it was directed at me as a symbol of something (in this case, of the forces that kept them locked in or required rules to be obeyed). The violence is usually a short duration or a 'one shot' kind of thing. It's almost as if the mind of the person committing the violence was totally taken with the act of hitting, for example, and not the target. When that hit was blocked or missed, it looked almost as if the mind of the person had to re-group from that high emotion. Some of the knife fights I've been in have been this way. TARGETTED AGGRESSION This is the opposite of the above. This is the guy who plans it out, who wants you personally. It's simply hating someone, and planning how to hurt them. To be honest, on a physical level, I think this happens less than people think. I don't think I have too many people actively hating me, and if there are some that would, for example, be glad to see me fired at work and take my position, they wouldn't necessarily plan bodily harm. But then, there are some professions where that might actually be the case. There were some patients at the state hosptial, for example, for whom violence was part of a plan to escape and that violence would be towards one specific individual because of where he was at the time. Stuff does happen to ordinary people. There's a reason why cops trying to find out "whodunit" look to the seedier motivations (e.g. lust, money, and drugs) first. OPPORTUNISTIC AGGRESSION This is the guy who takes advantage of someone who's weaker, who's drunk, who's outside his or her 'element', who's alone, etc. The type of person who is aggressive in this manner does it because they think they can do it and get away with it (both in terms of the law and without being harmed themselves). DOMINANCE DISPLAY AGGRESSION This may be the classic human version of Ram's butting heads. In part, it's to get a place in the 'tribe', in part it's to impress women (even if they are not actually present). The traditional end to this is a subservience display. I think part of the increase in this type of aggression we see nowadays is because our 'tribes' are less defined. One thinks "why should I cowtow to this guy". Think how many times you think that a day outside the context of physical violence (hey, just when driving to work). I also believe, however, that there are those people who need a subservience display from others (rather than just avoiding subservience displays - or lack of dominance - themselves). That may play into the person who gets off on control and watching others suffer. TRASH TALKING AGGRESSION This is more evident in some cultures than others, but I think its present in all cultures (the way we 'trash talk' may be different). The situation that comes to mind is the one where the person wants to get the last word in as he's turning away. You will see a physical turning and walking slightky away from the person. It's sort of the opposite of direct confrontation. It doesn't necessarily lead to aggression, but I think in a number of situations it can. This is the optimum time for someone to egg the trash talker on, or for the trashtalker to realize he can't win the 'war of words' and ups the ante to violence. The actual behavior of trash talking is only one example. I think the employee who gets fired and comes back with a gun is another. He has lost the war on the job front, and so he ups the ante with violence. In his perception, he lost a tash talking match. PROTECTIVE AGGRESSION No, this is not the "good guy martial artist" type who only uses his superior skills (and then only very reluctantly) when his country and family are in danger. Rather, this is the person who thinks he is defending something or someone. The guy who gets in a fight in a bar over the treatment of a woman he doesn't even know (the guy who stands up to the guy who's being obnoxious towards a woman) may be a better example. But it's not necessarily only morally upright motives. I think a some racism and territoriality can be other examples of this sort of aggression - the person thinks they are protecting something important to them. ENTITLED AGGRESSION This is the guy who believes that because a line has been crossed, he is entitled to use aggression to get what he wants. This may be one of the hardest to deal with, because that belief will likely be very difficult to change, and the targetting may be indescriminately related to the real trigger. A guy's wife just left him and he got fired today, and you just happened to change into the lane he wanted use. There are probably other elements in here; the one that comes to mind most is whether one is alone or with a group of people. As far as controlled aggression for the martial artist, I think it behooves any martial artist to ponder human aggression, to study it and to understand it. Each of the type of aggression above may warrant a different strategy. In terms of control, I think we may each have times when we had aggressive (though not necessarily physically violent) thoughts along the lines above. Some of these thoughts may be morally justified, some may be useful. Understanding them in ourselves helps with the "controlled" part of controlled human aggression. I hope this gets the conversation going a bit. Andy Breton ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ From: "Anthony James Hawkins" Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 17:11:45 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Rock n Rollover Ill be damned there is such a thing as Karma. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 15:02:02 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Coming home A Howl of Greeting to All: Just got back last night from a 9 day trip to Spain. Although I am tempted to comment on the Rocky/Abon affair, I think I will pass :-) As for my trip: Hosted by Alfonso Acosta Gil, the seminar was split between Cartagena and Albacete, with the Albacete group coming down to Cartagena for the first day and vice versa the second. This is my third year there and each year the group gets bigger and stronger. This year I was assisted by DBMA Sr. Lakan Guro Isa Benjamin "C-Lonely Dog" Rittiner of Switzerland. The group has been having semi-regular hard sparring (light sticks, WEKAF headgear, minimal grappling) and after the seminar on Saturday in my honor they held a session. A highlight of the session was the appearance of an individual from another school who had posted in Spanish on the guestbook of our website aspersions about the Cartagena group's fighting spirit and sexual orientation. After about 30 seconds of getting the snot beat of him, he went down with a twisted knee. One of those silly and perennial moments in martial arts. His somewhat rambling apology now appears on our guestbook The next couple of days were spent teaching the Cartagena Police Department. LEO's are always great fun, and the Cartagena group was no exception. At one point, to underline the importance of the forehand redondo, I had them get in formation and said "Picture this: England is playing Spain in Spain in the World Cup, and the English fans are unhappy with a call by the referee and the call has gone out to you to save the day. You are marching in formation. Would you rather your neighbors in the formation swinging forehand vertical redondos, or would you rather them putting your teeth at risk with horizontals?" This image proved persuasive in selling them on the forehand redondo. :-) Then a pleasant 4 hour train ride up to Madrid on Wednesday with not one, but two feature films included for free-- quite different from US trains! Thursday was a video shoot at Budo Publications. I had understood that I was to be allowed to shoot in Spanish (this was of importance to me in my efforts to establish the "Associacion de Dog Brothers Martial Arts") and I was disappointed to be told that I had to shoot in English. Oh well. Thanks to Benjamin for his most able assistance. Next year, the plan is that my Spain seminar will be in Madrid in March. Apparently airfare is much less expensive then and travel is easier from the various parts of Spain and elsewhere Last year we had two drive from Italy, and this year not only did Benjamin come from Switzerland, but we also had a newcomer from the Canary Islands (who has promised to send me a book on the stickfighting of the Canary Islands) On the flight home I had the best coach seat in the house-- aisle seat next to the exit door. For hours on end I was able to sit reading on the floor in my stretch strap. I was the first person off the plane, the second to get his luggage, and the first through customs. I bought a lottery ticket on the way home. But nothing beats coming home to my Pretty Kitty and my Little Fang Woof, Crafty Dog PS: Hey Bill, we must be reading the same books! I thought your piece was quite good. ------------------------------ From: "Don Edwards" Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 22:42:02 -0000 Subject: eskrima: Eric Paulson Seminar - Livingston NJ We will be hosting Eric Paulson for a two day seminar this August 11th and 12th.. Location is: Integrated Martial Arts & Fitness 113 South Livingston Ave. Livingston NJ 07039 We can be reached at (973) 422-1500. Call or email for details... Thanks, Don Edwards www.imafit.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Stephen Jones" Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 00:45:33 Subject: eskrima: Tournament Rules Hello esteemed eskrimadors, I want to set up a local tournament in my area. I was thinking definitely have a soft-stick section with a possible unpadded light cane stick section to follow. I want to plan the rest but 'want the best' so I am here to ask the questions: .Is there are any thing I should consider when setting this up? .Any specific rule set you recommend to use? .If so, can I see the rules somewhere or can you tell me in the response? As there are only so many training partners around I need to err on the side of safety. I know there are IPMAF and WEKAF rules, but I cant find them online at the moment. I'm open to other kinds of tournament formulae as well including rules tournament sparring with rattan cane etc. Any considered advice would be appreciated. For those of you willing to respond you have my gratitude. If you are concerned about posting your response, you may email it to me privately if you wish. All the best, Steve. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ From: Just This Guy Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 17:02:28 -0500 (CDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Leg/ Back Pain I'm not an expert onmartial arts but I consider myself an expert on back pain, more than I want to be. If you are having back pain with leg and foot pain, it's more than possible that you have a disk related injury. Disk related injuries can be excruciatingly painful. Rather than seeing a chiropractor, I'd advise making an appointment with a spine specialist, someone with the scanning technology needed to see inside your back and do something other than a blind diagnosis. If you rupture a disk, you will learn that everything you thought you knew about pain was wrong. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 19:15:21 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #262 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.