From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #268 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 13 June 2001 Vol 08 : Num 268 In this issue: eskrima: DC instructor eskrima: Re: schools in Atlanta eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #265 eskrima: Re: Ron Balicki's Laban Laro 2001 Re: eskrima: schools in Atlanta eskrima: too much talk eskrima: Re: Heavy Bags eskrima: The Wicked Warlock Replies to Brian & Mike eskrima: insults Re: eskrima: too much talk eskrima: Which martial art is best for short people? eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dale" Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:18:24 -0500 Subject: eskrima: DC instructor Does anyone have contact info to DC instructor Steve Braun? He has been on this list in years past. Contact me via private e-mail please. Thanks, Dale ------------------------------ From: Joe Marszalek Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 07:30:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: schools in Atlanta Jon wrote, >From: "jon sales" >Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 22:40:35 -0500 >Subject: eskrima: schools in Atlanta > >My sister is in Atlanta, GA and is interested in >arnis and stuff. Any >suggestions for schools in the Atalnta area? > >Jon I would suggest she try Sifu Francis Fong's school. For more info goto http://www.francisfongacademy.com Classes are availabe in Wing Chun Kung Fu, Jun Fan/JKD, Muay Thai Boxing, Kali/Escrima, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu (BJJ), and Capoeira. Joe Marszalek ===== Web Admin for Martial Arts Koncepts -- http://www.MartialArtsKoncepts.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: igarta@iwon.com Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 04:48:43 -1000 Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #265 Nate Wrote: >From: guronate@wwa.com >Date: 11 Jun 2001 17:22:02 -0600 >Subject: eskrima: right way to write Hawaii > >This is a question for the Hawaiian contingent on this list. If a person >was to write a newsletter and he from Hawaii, how would he/she spell Hawaii? > Is it Hawai'i? Or is it >Hawaii'? Or is the tick mark not needed? > >Just curious, >Nate Defensor Many of the newspapers here in Hawai'i use the tick mark. Stuart http://www.fullcontacthi.com ------------------------------ From: "Rick Pineda" Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 08:27:49 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Ron Balicki's Laban Laro 2001 >Woof! > >When I first read this attack on Ron's character, my first thought was >:"This >guy has not talked to Ron." If he had, I know that he would be alot >calmer. >I am sure that Ron doesn't even care who won or lost...his purpose is to >provide a venue to showcase FMA in a safe environment. He wants everyone >there to have enjoyed themselves, and possibly make a new friend or two. Hello, I am assuming that you are an eskrimador also with Ron Balicki's group? The email was not really meant to attack Mr. Balicki and I think too many people are blowing this way out of proportion. As I said in my fist post, Mr. Balicki is no doubt a good teacher and practitioner of JKD and FMA and I truly apologize to Mr. Balicki if this was considered too harsh. I was down in Ventura on the first day of the tournament and some people I knew actually fought in the knife fighting and lost. I thought it was a very biased tournament in favor of the MARS academy. After that, I decided not to even watch the second day of the tournament. I think that if Mr. Balicki holds a tournament, he should acknowledge all participants, regardless of whether or not his guys win. I know I am just venting because I came down from San Jose to watch what I thought would be a good tournament. Instead, I saw one where people should have won, but didn't. I don't practice escrima yet, but would like to someday. Hopefully by that time, the tournaments are no longer biased. Sorry to cause such a stir, but I think it had to be said. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Herb Zoota Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:27:09 -0600 Subject: Re: eskrima: schools in Atlanta She should check out the Francis Fong Academy located in Duluth, GA in Gwinnett. The kali program is based on Guro Inosantos' system . In addition we have classes in Muay Thai, Wing Chun, Jeet Kune Do. Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and Capoeria. For more information our website is francisfongacademy.com and phone is 770-623-8090. Herb > From: "jon sales" > Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 22:40:35 -0500 > Subject: eskrima: schools in Atlanta > > My sister is in Atlanta, GA and is interested in arnis and stuff. Any > suggestions for schools in the Atalnta area? > > Jon ------------------------------ From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:44:59 EDT Subject: eskrima: too much talk From Marc Animal MacYoung I'm studying Serak silat with Steve Plinck. And about a year ago he said something that really hit the nail on the head: Your only calling card is you skill. Can you fight? I agree. It's not about style, lineage, titles or who has the true art. The bottomline is when it comes to it "when it gets to thrown down time, will you be the one left standing?" Then old Peyton Quinn threw his two cents in while we were sitting around his dinner table drinking beer: "The only true indicator of a teacher is the quality of his students." Can your students throw down? I don't care about your rank, your agenda, your deadly skills or how many death matches your teacher was in, can your students survive if it goes sideways? If not, then you better stop and do some serious reconsideration as to your motivations for teaching. I'm in the middle of writing my memoirs right now, and looking back, I realized that the street that I grew up on had so many fights that it must have been considered a real dangerous place to go. The reason I never realized this before was that I was in about 90% of them. I didn't get into the MA to become a fighter...I was a fighter already, I got into them to become a BETTER fighter. As I have grown older (although the wiser part is questionable) I have realized that there are really only two reasons to study the martial arts. Fighting and self-improvement. Fighting is exactly what it is, can you rock and roll? Not huffing and puffing, not posturing and posing to impress people and intimidate a would-be challenger, but are you willing to throw down? Do you have that confidence in your skill? (now least I get accused of macho posturing, this is miles past it. Macho posturing is usually a tool to save face so nobody has to fight. I don't want to fight and I will try everything possible to de-escalate, negotiate and not give someone a reason to go off, but if, despite this, you insist on taking it physical...bring it on. Don't waste my time with challenges and posturing, if you think it is so bad or you are so offended that you have to go physical, do it, and let's see what happens... but don't f**king cry when you get hurt because if you go there, we will get hurt. And I am willing to pay that price in blood once again..are you?). Diametrically opposite to this savage mindset is self-improvement. It is the discipline, growth, evolution and other benefits that we gain from our study of the arts. It is us becoming "Demonstrably" better people for our time and efforts in the arts. It's not just about how much "better" I am for my time in the arts, but how has this growth benefited and helped others too. Has it helped you grow out of your "salad days" of youthful vanity, temper and arrogance to take your place among society? Unfortunately between these two extremes is a very deep chasm that many people fall into. Although it is filled with pride, it has neither of the redeeming qualities of the other two. And although you tell yourself that you have mastered both, neither of the two extremes will ever be proved. You neither prove your fighting skills by stepping up to the line, and the only "improvement" is self-imposed superiority over others because you hold a rank, know something special, know the "true" art, are a "warrior" because you study/know something or because you teach people this awesome and deadly art. That chasm of self-delusion is real deep folks. And what is worse is it is very self-reinforcing. Because all the "Tests" you come up with are of your own devising and by your own standards. Within your small circle these tests and standards look real impressive, but do they hold water outside that? I think not. It's made even worse when you are surrounded by students who are playing the same game and telling you how great you are. And who will in turn leave and argue with "true beleivers" from other cults as to why you are better than their teacher. It is easy to see when people have fallen into the chasm because they talk real big, but the proof of the pudding is lacking in either direction. There will always be a reason for them not to go there. And yet they demand to be respected as if it were. And they argue heatedly over unprovable concepts...unprovable because nobody wants to step up to the plate. This allows them to maintain their position in the chasm, telling themselves that they are right and never risking being proved wrong. Bottomline here kiddies...it's deeds not words...and what have you done that can prove to others you can either fight or are a better person for your time in the arts? ------------------------------ From: "Buz Grover" Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:57:30 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: Heavy Bags Tuhon Bill asked: "If you can find a small top loading duffle bag with grommets about half the size of a canvas army bag but using the same thickness of material, please let me know. I have an old vinyl covered canvas bag of this size that was made 25 years ago that my guys are always eyeing. The half size unfilled heavy bags I like seemed to have been more popular in the 70's than today, so we have to make our own." Though it may be a little rough on the knuckles you might want to check out the ballistic cloth rope bags made by Lost Creek Packs. I have three of their caving packs and one of their rope duffles that I have literally dragged through hundreds of mile of cave. Beside some scuffs and burrs, they've held up well, the oldest for over twenty years. You can view their products at: http://www.lostcreekpacks.com/caving.html Note that the rope duffle has a big grommet at the bottom for drainage. If you decide you like the bags, you might want to fling 'em an email to see if they'll modify the bag to your specs. Two of my bags are semi-custom; they made the alterations on the cheap; their products are generally way less expensive than most the "tactical" ballistic cloth bags you see. If you like these, my guess is they'll be more than willing to modify 'em to your specs. Regards, Buz Grover ------------------------------ From: "Ernest Westbrook" Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:11:00 -0000 Subject: eskrima: The Wicked Warlock Replies to Brian & Mike BillyJa695@aol.com, has stated: >Subject: eskrima: Repost re: Westbrook's Post > > >Why are you joining this thread at this late date? It is winding > >down and all of the principals have ceased posting! You really are > >not adding anything new to the discussion. > >Well, if you were to read the beginning of Tim's post, you would see >that >he said that he had just come back from a seminar tour in >Europe.....which >is why he joined the discussion so late. You may >want to take care to read >a little more carefully next time. I did read it Brian and that is why I asked the question. Having read ALL of the posts on the topic, it was obvious that the thread was ending and Mr. Hartman, Did Not ADD one new or vital element to the discussion. >I would have to concede that, when I read Rocky's post, he was indeed > >making an open challenge. That's the way the post came across. I am in agreement with you regarding this matter. >Perhaps it was his way of yanking several people's chains. Perhaps >Rocky >meant it one way and it came out another way. In any case, it >read like an >actual challenge. Perhaps he was jerking some chains, but I doubt it. On the other hand I will concede that I do not know for sure what he intended, I can only say that a number of us read jis comments as an open challenge. >>>3. I don't know how this started becuase I was teaching in europe >>>and >>>I did not get all my mail while I was there. If you made an >>>open >>>challenge Rocky, then it's your fault. I have some reservations about that remark, but I will leave it to be discussed between Rocky and Tim. >>>If Guro Abon was reading too much into the post then maybe it's not >>>Rocky's fault. No matter what is said not it is not going to >>>change >>>anyones opinoin, so can we now drop the whole thing >>>and talk about something else or is this digest that boring? Gat Puno Baet, has already address that matter. >>Boy, oh boy, you are really good at suggesting what the ED >>subscribers >>should be discussing and posting. Actually, I feel that you are mixing >>aples and snowballs! You really wanted us to >>know where you have >>holding seminars. You also used your posts to take some shots at the new >>IMAF leadership, Jeff Delaney, Randi >>Schea, and the rest of the new >>'masters of tapi-tapi': > >Okay, explain to this all of us on the Digest....where in the >preceding >paragraph did Tim mix his Europe tour with his views of the IMAF ? I don't >see anything there. Perhaps you should go back and read BOTH of Mr. Hartman's post of last Sunday! >>Quite honestly, Mr. Hartman, I can concede that you have a point >>that is >>worth considering. After all you were the highest ranked >>person in the >>IMAF and you held that desirable title, yet these >>other people were >>promoted to elevated positions above you. In my >>opinion, you have just >>issued a very thinly veiled challenge to ALL >>of those people, >>considering that they were your "...juniors in >>rank, years and ability." > >I think that Tim was making a factual statement. I don't see an >implied >challenge whatsoever. You are reading something into what's >not there. I don't think so! When a person states in a public forum that they are senior to some others in years, rank and ability, there is a implied challege to those former "junior" people have attained a higher organization position/title than the speaker/writer. > >BTW are any of those folks subscribers to this forum? > >I'm not aware of this but would like to know. >>Now for the other matter. Once again, you have issued a challenge >>to >>the new IMAF leadership in general and Jeff Delaney in >>particular! > >In reading over Tim's post, I think that he was challenging Jeff's >fitness >to be where he is now. That is far different from issuing a >challenge to >Jeff. Those are two different things. Oh really... please enlighten me as the difference!!! If one is challenging another's fittness to be the leader of an organization, I fail to see how that can viewed as anything other than a challenge. I will the first to conceed that ***it is not*** a challenge to a physical fight, but Mr Hartman, left no doubt that he believes that he is better qualified than Mr. Delaney to be the leader of the Modern Arnis side of the arts. >>Are you going to stand up and honor that challenge if it is >>accepted? Yeah, I wrote that and I am still waiting for an answer to that question from Mr. Hartman. The next time question is asked, it should be asked of Mr. Delaney. >In my opinion, you are seeing things that are not there. An more >explicit >statement is needed from Tim before I'm satisfied that >there's a so called >challenge. As it stands now, Tim has called into question Jeff's place in >Modern Arnis by saying that he has not >produced any black belts on his own >and indicating how many black >belts that Tim himself has instructed over >the years. OK, Brian, please explain what Mr. Hartman is doing/saying, if this is not a challenge to Mr. Delaney's authority as co-gm of the IMAF. >So, this is not a "challenge" of the kind that Rocky issued. Tim was >saying something else entirely different. The only thing different is, Mr. Hartman has not asked Mr.Delaney to meet him somewhere with sticks in hand for a little one on one action. But has most certinly stated that he is not impressed with Mr. Delaney's qualifations and abilities. >>As I see the challege, you and Delaney, should each take the floor >>at a >>seminar and demonstrate your relative abilities to teach the >>art. You >>got "stroked" from behind by the IMAF leadership and now >>you have called >>them out, to face you. The real question is will >>they respond and >>accept your challege? Yep, I wrote that as well. I stand by it because that is the what Mr. Hartman contends that Mr. Delaney can not do - teach. >Looks like you're trying to dictate the terms of something that is > >entirely fictional. Stephen King would be mighty proud of you. No dictating, just a suggestion. Thank you for the compliment, but I will wait for a letter directly from Mr. King, before I take your remark to heart. >Take care, >Brian Johns Thank you Brian and you take care as well. >------------------------------ leviticus33@hotmail.com: replied, >To all who questioned the professor's health -- the most recent >update >that I have (6/10) is that he is in an assisted living >facility. In >addition, his condition is not what Mr. Delaney would >have you think it >is. Datu Hartman knows much more about the> professor's, as I'm sure he >will tell us. It would have been helpful and prudent to include that information in your orginal post. Thanks for this most recent update. >As for the web site -- Jeff Delaney is in charge of it. Take >everything >on it with a grain of salt. It is obviously to Jeff >Delaney's advantage >to have you believe that the professor is on a >road to recovery, but it >saddens me to inform you otherwise. Thanks for the advice and I am sure that a number of us have not been blind to the bias that exisits on the IMAF web site. >Mr. Westbrook, >My response was an effort to explain the flaw in your logic. The >Professor simply can't use this sort of forum. Due to previously >stated >health problems, he is limited in anything he does -- when he >did attempt >to travel, it is to my understanding that he developed >pneumonia because >of it. The question regard Professor's explicitedly stated "approval" was directed to Mr. Hartman. It is his question to answer. Please go back and read my post very carefully. And please note that neither youu nor Mr. Hartman, have answered that question. >My response was "huffy" because of the defending of Jeff Delaney. Who was defending Mr. Delaney. I specificly stated that I believed that Mr. Hartman, got "stroked" from behind with regard to the leadership matter... how is that a defense of Mr. Delaney? >What I tried to state before, there is no comparison between Datu >Hartman >and Jeff Delaney -- the former is qualified whereas the >latter is not. Sorry Michael, you did not do a very good job of it! >I attended the Michigan summer camp of 2000, where Mr. Delaney did a great >deal of teaching. Let me tell you, being taught by him was >hardly the >highlight of my FMA career. On the other hand, I've had >experiences with >Datu Hartman which have pushed me to the next level >in my ability and >understanding of FMAs. Now that is very clear where your preferences are located in this discussion. That is not a bad thing, it simply helps us all to understand your basic premise. >So, with all that said, was it the fact that I pointed out that Datu >Hartman has trained 19 black belts under the Professor versus >Delaney's >none, my statements of confidence in Datu Hartman's >abilities, or the >exclaimer under my name that I am a WMAA Member >that led you to believe >that I am a Delaney supporter? I read what you wrote and it was poorly written. You questioned me, when I was supporting your instructor on some points in contention, therefore you ended up assisting Mr. Delaney, however unintentionally. >In closing I would like to state, as I and others have before, that >you >need to see what you are criticizing! You blindly critique the >Datu >without ever seeing the man, meeting him, or understand his >abilities. Get a life, Michael. I have been critical of his usage of the title from a cross cultural perspective. I have never questioned his ability or his earning of the title within the context of the IMAF. Find the post where I critized his actual MAs ability and I will formally apologize. >Attend a semenar, after which you will undoubtedly understand where I and >the rest of the Datu's supporters are coming from. If Mr. Hartman and Mr. Delaney, actually have a meeting and demonstarte their respective abilities at the same event, then I would consider attending and seeing both guys for myself. In any event, the bottom line is still the same, Mr Hartman and a number of his students such as yourself are not respectful of Mr. Delaney. Please correct me if I have mis-read your post. ArchBishop EBrook 2nd Chief Teacher - Surge Eskrima USA THE Wicked Warlock of the West _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Meghan Gardner" Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:31:58 -0400 Subject: eskrima: insults Gat Puno wrote: <> No problem with you words... I was simply expressing what I thought would have been the "higher road". Personally, no one outside of a very few people have the ability to insult or offend me. I need to give someone this ability. And those who have the ability are not the types to use it. I'm certain you don't mean disrespect and none is taken. Perhaps one day we'll meet and have a good face to face talk without this text-only barrier. Meghan Gardner Director Guard Up, Inc. www.guardup.com "Always carry love in your heart, and a knife in your pocket." me ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:34:09 PDT Subject: Re: eskrima: too much talk > I'm in the middle of writing my memoirs right now, and looking back, ... Good Lord! Just how old are you? :) That is an exercise for one who has many years of life and experience under their belt. One hardly begins to learn about themselves and the world around them until they hit 60 or so. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: moviola Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:16:00 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Which martial art is best for short people? I'm curious to everyone opinion on this matter. I'm 5'7" around 150. I've practiced several MA in my lifetime (TKD and Aikido) and have found that in those arts (regardless of what people say) opponents who are taller and stronger have an advantage. Also, Aikido is great, however it's more (IMHO) for training your body to move and mental discipline, not for real fighting. It's one of the arts in which your opponent complies with you. Now for most people, that's okay. However, I'm in the process of applying to several Federal Law Enforcement agencies and want to start adjusting my training to something more practical. I'm sure I'll learn Defensive Tactics, but the reality is I will need better stuff to handle large aggressive criminals. So, is it Ju-jitsu, Arnis, Krav Maga, or one of those new combo arts? I'm sure it also will have to be somewhere near my city (NYC) for now. I thank you for your help and opinions. Saludos! ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:57:36 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #268 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.