From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #269 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thur, 14 June 2001 Vol 08 : Num 269 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #268 eskrima: there is more than the fight eskrima: I love to.. eskrima: --Footwork-- eskrima: Filipino dance show eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #268 eskrima: Pak Victor DeThouars Open Seminar in Capitola, Calif eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #268 eskrima: Howl of sadness eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #268 eskrima: Re: masters and students eskrima: Best Martial Arts For Short People eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #268 eskrima: Ron Balicki Labon Laro eskrima: 60s as a teen eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AWSolis@aol.com Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:54:21 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #268 Woof! In a message dated 6/13/01 3:32:50 PM Central Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > I am assuming that you are an eskrimador also with Ron Balicki's > group? Uhhh....No. I am an Arnisador under Alfonso Seneres. I am a Dog Brother, and a Dog Brother Instructor (of material up until 1996 "all the good stuff!" LOL! just kidding Guro Crafty...actually I haven't tested for the other material). I study Ron's system as a student, because I like how he has structured it, and because I like Ron. My only real affliation is with Carlos Machado in Machado Jiu-Jitsu...everything else I teach what I want how I want. I am a purple belt under Carlos, and he assists me with the BJJ curriculum for my school. >>>>>I know I am just venting because I came down from San Jose to watch what I thought would be a good tournament. Instead, I saw one where people should have won, but didn't. I don't practice escrima yet, but would like to someday. Hopefully by that time, the tournaments are no longer biased. Sorry to cause such a stir, but I think it had to be said.<<<< LOL! The very nature of tournaments is biased....home field advantage, etc. At the Pan Am BJJ Champs, I witnessed calls being reversed when an american did well...it was funny...a great learning experience. In the Open division in one of my matches, the ref asked me if I was Brasilero...like an idiot I shook my head No, and then he didn't give me several advantage points.....I almost starting laughing, so I made my opponent tap. I have been DQ'd at a WEKAF tournament for hitting too hard, One of my students had a trophy mailed to him almost 3 months after a tournament when the video showed he should have won...I have also had friends given the short end of the stick, but tournaments are a good learning experience. I have never seen a perfect tournament. There is no such animal...someone always complains about something. If your friends really want to test their skills...call Marc Denny. Find out when they can bang. No judges, No trophies, No refs..lots of growing guaranteed. Woof! Alvis W. Solis Hound Dog www.serve.com/solis/ ------------------------------ From: Loki Jorgenson Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:56:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: there is more than the fight ::From: AnimalMac@aol.com ::Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:44:59 EDT ::>From Marc Animal MacYoung :: .... :: ::I agree. It's not about style, lineage, titles or who has the true art. The ::bottomline is when it comes to it "when it gets to thrown down time, will you ::be the one left standing?" The bottomline of what accounting sheet? I am in agreement with you, as far as your analysis goes. It seems to be about the individual's place in the MA and their individual credibility. I think you are right about the good fight and self-improvement. And there are more than just fighters in this world. There are the teachers (not all fighters in their day), trainers, archivists and historians, traditionalists and revolutionaries, and those who are served by the fighter's skills. All play some part. Some individuals play more than one role. Some are confused in their roles. Some use the words of the historian to justify their credibility as a fighter. :: ::Bottomline here kiddies...it's deeds not words...and what have you done that ::can prove to others you can either fight or are a better person for your time ::in the arts? :: The words are also of value. But it depends on who is saying them and to what effect. And like so many things of value, words are often abused and lose credibility. IMHO... - -- Loki Jorgenson ------------------------------ From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:28:15 EDT Subject: eskrima: I love to.. Meghan Gardner, I like that idea, we can easily misled the true meaning of our word we wrote, but nice sit down snack and talk will help to clear things out. I have no negative feeling towards you or the others, I always for progression of FMA. I think we are all are in one goal, to protect and promote the FMA to the world. thanks, Talk to you privately soon. Guro Abon << I'm certain you don't mean disrespect and none is taken. Perhaps one day we'll meet and have a good face to face talk without this text-only barrier. Meghan Gardner >> ------------------------------ From: ECampbell@HHSI.COM Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:45:13 -0500 Subject: eskrima: --Footwork-- - --Good afternoon everyone-- challanges seem to be coming out of the woodwork.....would'nt you agree..? I just thought I would ask if anyone could give me some training tips on FOOTWORK (not yelling) though the info. would be greatly appreciated. I am very active in Muay Thai for many years now (as in competition) Eskrima works well with it, as far as angles...! Once again any footwork info will aide my training. Good bye from Houston, TX. & Much respect to everyone S a l a m a t for you time, ~Eric "E-Man" Campbell ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:42:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Filipino dance show Forwarding... This Saturday and Sunday there is a Filipino cultural arts show, muslim wedding dances from Mindanao, Tinikling and Abaniko dance show by the LIKHA dance ensemble, at 1 to 2 pm. The following is the schedule among many other events from 10 to 6 pm. COST: $ 15 per person to enter. San Francisco Civic Center Plaza, Larkin. SATURDAY, June 16 and SUNDAY, June 17, 2001* 1100 AM - 1200 AM Martial Arts Exhibition - Albano School of Eskrima 100 PM - 230 PM Welcome - Folk Dance - LIKHA Pilipino Folk Ensemble ------------------------------ From: Brian Crowley Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:49:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #268 << Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:16:00 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Which martial art is best for short people? I'm curious to everyone opinion on this matter. I'm 5'7" around 150. I've practiced several MA in my lifetime (TKD and Aikido) and have found that in those arts (regardless of what people say) opponents who are taller and stronger have an advantage. Also, Aikido is great, however it's more (IMHO)for training your body to move and mental discipline, not for real fighting. It's one of the arts in which your opponent complies with you. Now for most people, that's okay. However, I'm in the process of applying to several Federal Law Enforcement agencies and want to start adjusting my training to something more practical. I'm sure I'll learn Defensive Tactics, but the reality is I will need better stuff to handle large aggressive criminals. So, is it Ju-jitsu, Arnis, Krav Maga, or one of those new combo arts? I'm sure it also will have to be somewhere near my city (NYC) for now. I thank you for your help and opinions. Saludos!>>> You are certainly posting this to the right forum. I suspect you will get a lot of great answers. My strong recommendation is that you check our John Perkins' web site at attackproof.com. He is a former police officer who has developed a very effective martial art based on his personal experience with the dynamics of violent situations and his extensive background in various martial arts. One of the top instructors in his art teaches on 14th Street in NYC. John teaches in Stony Point (Rockland county) and a couple other locations just outside the city. I hope you check it out. Regards, Brian Crowley __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:33:57 PDT Subject: eskrima: Pak Victor DeThouars Open Seminar in Capitola, Calif Forwarded message: Silat seminar info... Ray ---------------------------------------------------------- Selamat All, I hope this email is finding you well. Pak Victor DeThouars will be teaching a public Serak seminar: Day: Sunday, July 29 Time: 8am to 5pm with 1 hr. lunch Location: N. California #1 Tjabang headquarters, Capitola CA. Cost: $90.00 Please spread the word and RSVP so we can plan for the crowd! Terima Kasi, Antek Guru Mike Roberto VDT Academy ------------------------------ From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 00:13:31 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #268 In a message dated 6/13/01 2:32:47 PM Mountain Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << > I'm in the middle of writing my memoirs right now, and looking back, ... Ray asks Good Lord! Just how old are you? :) That is an exercise for one who has many years of life and experience under their belt. One hardly begins to learn about themselves and the world around them until they hit 60 or so. >> 41...and the title is "climbing out of hell" it's the story of coming out of violent, selfish, drug and alcohol hazed dysfunction to leading a happy life. Hell, that's just the first half, the second half should be just as interesting... ------------------------------ From: AWSolis@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 00:19:21 EDT Subject: eskrima: Howl of sadness RIP Mike Mentzer and his brother Ray Mentzer. You shook the body building world. Alvis W. Solis Hound Dog ------------------------------ From: "Kimberley Hobbs" Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:28:21 -0230 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #268 Hi there, Gosh if you are short, then I am downright pigmy. I am 4'11 and one half" (that half inch is very important). I study a JKD/Kali blend system and I find the Silat we do very effective for someone my height. I am also only 120lb and female with very little upper body strength compared to most of my classmates (there is only one other female in my class and she is even smaller than I am). The silat focusses on using your oponents energy against them. It is not about strength. My small stature is an advantage when I do sweeps and throws on a taller, larger oponent. My lower center of gravity allows me to get under my oponent at his weaker point. It is a rush when I make a 200 + lb 6 footer go crashing to the ground - the look on their faces makes it all worth it, but when we do alternate kicking drills I get paid back in spades :-) I was afraid at first that the "boys" were just humouring me, but I got several of them to resist the technique and they still got airbourne. I got some extra Silat lessons from my Sifu/Guro after that. He always told us to work with what we have, so now I'm working with my height instead of in spite of it. Kim > >From: moviola >Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:16:00 -0400 >Subject: eskrima: Which martial art is best for short people? > >I'm curious to everyone opinion on this matter. I'm 5'7" around 150. I've >practiced several MA in my lifetime (TKD and Aikido) and have found that in >those arts (regardless of what people say) opponents who are taller and >stronger have an advantage. Also, Aikido is great, however it's more (IMHO) >for training your body to move and mental discipline, not for real fighting. >It's one of the arts in which your opponent complies with you. Now for most >people, that's okay. However, I'm in the process of applying to several >Federal Law Enforcement agencies and want to start adjusting my training to >something more practical. I'm sure I'll learn Defensive Tactics, but the >reality is I will need better stuff to handle large aggressive criminals. >So, is it Ju-jitsu, Arnis, Krav Maga, or one of those new combo arts? I'm >sure it also will have to be somewhere near my city (NYC) for now. I thank >you for your help and opinions. > >Saludos! ------------------------------ From: Kes41355@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:17:54 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: masters and students In a message dated 6/13/01 1:33:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Then old Peyton Quinn threw his two cents in while we were sitting around his dinner table drinking beer: "The only true indicator of a teacher is the quality of his students." >> Truer words were never spoken...I heard it said many years ago that the indicator of an authentic "master" is the quality of the "masterpieces" he/she turns out. Kim Satterfield ------------------------------ From: "al sardinas" Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:28:55 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Best Martial Arts For Short People Moviola, The best martial art for short people is FMAs. That's all! Hey what digest is this? Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of Garimot System of Arnis ------------------------------ From: Jesse Manibusan Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 05:52:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #268 > > I've > practiced several MA in my lifetime (TKD and Aikido) and > have found that in > those arts (regardless of what people say) opponents who > are taller and > stronger have an advantage. Taller and stronger does amount to a powerful advantage. But then again, take a look at the best Ju-jitsu fighters out there. They regularly beat people that are stronger, heavier and taller than themselves. > Also, Aikido is great, > however it's more (IMHO) > for training your body to move and mental discipline, not > for real fighting. I agree on the fact that Aikido enhances your mental discipline but don't all arts do that also (or at least most arts)? I think you can apply a lot of Aikido to real fighting. And its fluency in joint locks and disarms makes it very well suited for LEO-type applications. On a related note, what do the readers of E-D think about the idea that the effectiveness of joint locks depends on a person's ability to feel pain? For example, I would definitely let go of a weapon in my hand if someone applied a wrist lock to me...because of the pain. Now suppose you apply it on someone who is sort of mentally incapacitated due to drugs or rage or whatever. Do joint locks work on them if they can't feel the pain? Personally I think only 2 things work in every situation (provided you can do it): take away the aggressors air (I.E. choke him and he passes out) or break a leg (then he/she can't stand up and pursue you). Both options suck for the law-abiding citizen who may get in trouble for defending himself/herself. Comments? > However, I'm in the process of > applying to several > Federal Law Enforcement agencies and want to start > adjusting my training to > something more practical. I'm sure I'll learn Defensive > Tactics, but the > reality is I will need better stuff to handle large > aggressive criminals. > So, is it Ju-jitsu, Arnis, Krav Maga, or one of those new > combo arts? If you get into Krav Maga, I would be interested in hearing about your experiences. I am very curious about these sort of para-military fighting arts like Krav Maga and other "arts" taught to military personnel. They seem very no-nonsense and may not even be considered martial arts the way we think of them. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: RBalicki@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:51:34 EDT Subject: eskrima: Ron Balicki Labon Laro Rick, I had to write in from Italy because I am still in shock over this matter. I do not think I have ever been attacked like this before. Maybe you should be bad mouthing the other judges also in the Labon Laro tournament,Master Nari Barbo, and Lynn Thompson and I am sorry I can not think of the other persons who judged the knife part of the tournament. If you were there you would know that I had arrived late from a flight from Texas. When I got to the tournament I releaved one of the guys that filming the event. So I was on the camera I did not judge the knife fighting part of the tourmanment. No one was putting in a fix for the MARS academy. There is no MARS academy, do you mean South Bay JKD? You clearly are trying to grasp at anything that helps you save face. I do not accept your partial appology. Please just tell everyone in Kaliland that you were looking to make a name for yourself and you messed up. This has done the opposite of what you wanted, it has brought out much attention for me in a good way. I have received numerous e-mails from people who want to buy videos of the tournament, my knife ! self defense tapes and people wh o want to train with me at seminars and in private. THANK YOU FOR THAT! And I truly want to thank everyone who has spoken up for me. Ron Balicki ______________________- Hello, I am assuming that you are an eskrimador also with Ron Balicki's group? The email was not really meant to attack Mr. Balicki and I think too many people are blowing this way out of proportion. As I said in my fist post, Mr. Balicki is no doubt a good teacher and practitioner of JKD and FMA and I truly apologize to Mr. Balicki if this was considered too harsh. I was down in Ventura on the first day of the tournament and some people I knew actually fought in the knife fighting and lost. I thought it was a very biased tournament in favor of the MARS academy. After that, I decided not to even watch the second day of the tournament. I think that if Mr. Balicki holds a tournament, he should acknowledge all participants, regardless of whether or not his guys win. I know I am just venting because I came down from San Jose to watch what I thought would be a good tournament. Instead, I saw one where people should have won, but didn't. I don't practice escrima yet, but would like to someday. Hopefully by that time, the tournaments are no longer biased. Sorry to cause such a stir, but I think it had to be said. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 6:41:13 PDT Subject: eskrima: 60s as a teen > 41...and the title is "climbing out of hell" it's the story of coming out of > violent, selfish, drug and alcohol hazed dysfunction to leading a happy life. Sounds like anyone that survived the 1960s... :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 6:48:25 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #269 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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