From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #274 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sat, 16 June 2001 Vol 08 : Num 274 In this issue: eskrima: Re- Short people eskrima: Filipino Food eskrima: Footwork Drills re: eskrima: Footwork Drills eskrima: Re:Tapi Tapi eskrima: Re:Tapi Tapi eskrima: Kombaton ? eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #273 eskrima: OOPs My bad!! eskrima: you never know eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rocky" Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 09:53:51 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re- Short people My experience with short people, not that I am tall ( only 5'9" ) is that it is not so much what you train but how you train it. Correct me if I am wrong but isn't that the whole BJJ thing, My understanding is that Helio was not a big man, so he simply looked at his situation in a realistic fashion and trained in the art in such a way that it worked for him. Look at all the FMA Grand Masters out there, Angel was small, ANciong was small, Tuhon Gaje, Guru I. and many more yet I don't think you really would want to Rock and Roll with them. Now granted weapons do take up some of the slack when it comes to size differences. I do think though that weight plays a bigger part than height. From a street fighters point of view some of my worst nightmares came from the guys that were built like a fire plug, like my father, who also suffered from short mans syndrome, this can be a very bad combo. All in all though its how you approach your training, if you think that something won't work for you reach it and if it doesn't change it or move on. This is 2001, and especially in America you owe no allegiance to any one art or instructor, they are just commodities to be used as you see fit. With proper respect of course. Rocky ------------------------------ From: "Rocky" Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 10:01:46 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Filipino Food Does anyone know where you can get recipes for Filipino food, In Detroit we have no Filipino restaurants that I know of. An old friend of mine Dominic Ballarta's mother use to cook for us all the time, she is an awesome cook, and use to make the best stuff. But I screwed it up I introduced Dom to his wife and now we don't t talk. If I new it was going to interfere with my supply of Filipino food would have never done it!! Just kidding, they are nice people. And hey his brother ( PT Master ) Irwin is one of those short guys, that is a pretty damn good fighter, and all around good guy. Rocky ------------------------------ From: "Stephen Lamade" Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 14:08:15 Subject: eskrima: Footwork Drills Re. Footwork Drills: Someone asked recently about footwork drills. James Seetoo showed me this simple yet effective footwork drill: Extend your arm to lock your elbow, and balance the tip of your stick on your fingers. Keeping your knees bent and your hips under you, start moving around to keep the stick from falling. You may not bend your arm. Beginners like the drill because it's fun and reminds them of the kinds of games they played as kids. I find it has aerobic benefits as well after 20 minutes or so. I think you will find that your footwork becomes smaller and quicker, and you have to make constant adjustments to keep the stick from falling. The "lightness of foot" that you're developing is useful in situations where you've decided to move in one direction but have to change suddenly and move in another. In San Miguel Eskrima, for example, we move forward and close with the dagger after clearing the way with the longer stick. Frequently just before or during the the daga thrust a voice inside you says "Nope - not a good idea!" and you have to bail out to avoid a daga counter. Being able to change directions suddenly and move out of range is a definite advantage. Steve Lamade San Miguel Eskrima _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 7:57:36 PDT Subject: re: eskrima: Footwork Drills Interesting drill... Do you know if this came down from Momoy or ?? Just curious. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Mark E Lynn Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:43:48 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re:Tapi Tapi After my long dissertation on the Tapi Tapi drills I forgot to add a plug, and I might have forgot to add my name at the bottom as well. GM Remy has come out with a new set of video tapes. I believe the tape set is 15 tapes long and then there are 5 tapes that co GM Jeff Delaney has also come out with in the set. I'm sure these can be accessed by the Professor's Modern Arnis web site. Anyway several of the tapes deal with the Tapi Tapi drills both left to right and right to right. I heard at the Houston seminar from another instructor that he has seen parts of some of the tapes and that they are awesome. I haven't seen anything but the boxes for the tapes so I know that are produced and will soon be available. M. Lynn ------------------------------ From: Mark E Lynn Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:30:57 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re:Tapi Tapi Ray wrote "Perhaps someone can explain Tapi Tapi (a variation of Modern Arnis?) to someone like me that isn't in the Modern Arnis camp? The Rock or The Renegade or The Deiter :) or ??? Thanks. Ray Terry" Tapi Tapi is a drill or a series of drills that have a left hand to right hand version, and a right hand to right hand version. The Professor started teaching the Left to Right version in 1996 (or that's when I was first shown it at his camp in here TX). Over the years it has been explained to me that there is a driver (in the beginning stages) who guides the drill, basically setting up the receiver to apply locks/traps/chokes/hits etc. At first it was taught to me in a series of lock flows in order to learn the set ups. As time goes by and you learn the lock flows than you learn how to take them apart and rearrange them and combine them with other locks etc. The Professor would at seminar introduce techniques (say baiting a person and locking their hand to your stick) and out of that then that would be added to the Tapi drill series during the seminar. Or he'd teach on a double stick disarm/trap and then translate that action into a single stick application and again this would be added into the drill. Later on in the seminar an empty hand technique might be translated from his empty hand Sinawali drills into a single stick technique and that to applied in the TT drills. Then later on 98-99 the Professor taught a right to right version which was (possibly) based on his block check and counter drills off of the 12 angles of attack. Actually the R to R version (I believe) is real similar to the drills in Balintawak (and the name of the drills escapes me), or I have also heard them called single stick sparring (but that was from someone who trained with the Professor back in the late 80's early 90's before my time). Anyway again at the camps the disarming/locking/trapping would be applied to the drills with the R to R version as well. Then of course you combine them with stick switches in the middle of the pattern while you are leading the person going from one version to the next, one lock flow to the next etc. Then you can steal the drive from your partner if they hesitate and so on. The series of drills have a depth to them that is very deep and it takes time to understand them. While the basic drill might seem shallow at first over the years I've learned to appreciate the drill series. I have heard people at other seminars (under different instructors) who dislike the drill and think they are worthless, but I believe they miss the boat on this drill. It's one thing to learn a choking technique/a hand smash after a block etc. and a totally different thing to be able to apply it in flow and at a much faster speed. The Professor has named his Masters of Tapi Tapi and that is his choice to make. I have had the good fortune over the years to get to meet the majority of them (if not all of them) at GM Remy's camps. They are awesome in their application of this drill and their knowledge of the techniques found within the drills. In closing: I asked one time the Professor when I should start teaching my students this drill (at what level) he said "Now" I said "But I've got beginners only " He told me I should start teaching them now since "Everything is contained in Tapi Tapi" that was in 96 and I didn't understand what he meant. I now understand what he meant (and it took me several years to see it) although I've only just begun to really study the drills. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 8:09:06 PDT Subject: eskrima: Kombaton ? Need your help... I need to update the FMA FAQ wrt GM Ernesto Presas' Kombaton. Who should be listed as the higest/higher ranking players? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "johnaleen" Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 12:52:26 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #273 *******Now Magen and Mrs. J, in a nut shell both of you ladies are some what correct in your various posts on this subject, as far as a macho, or beating of the chest thing, I just don't know what to say its a guy thing, and this politically correct world ain't going to change in 20 years what it took nature eons to develop. Now too know more on the high archy or male dominance or ego thing, you must talk to one of the big brained guys like Crafty, Animal, or Tuhon B. they are into all that big brained stuff. I still can't figure out why my sister has 2 brothers and I only have one? Go figure!! KEN JO......********* Speaking only for myself: First I never said ego and macho were strictly a Male thing, though I have said I don't Personally have much an ego and there is nothing macho about me......:) there are 2 very important reasons why i try to be neither of those things.. 1) Ego gets you Killed, 2) Macho is someone pumping up their ego to hide their personal insecurities and inadequacies. In addition, I do not have to ask Crafty or any of the Boys to understand this. I lived it long enough surviving it in real life all my life since i was a very young child. Those examples growing up and then the Examples set for me wile training with mostly Men. then dealing with all the political mumbo jumbo and warring futile ego, macho insanities, is the reason that FATE Org is a Healing organization, Theses negative Examples that you claim will not change because they have been built over eons, are a total embarrassment to our culture, and I am embarrassed and again one of the reasons we are a healing organization and not a martial arts org. I don't want or need the stigma that hundreds of years of negative examples has attached its self too and the Higher achy of Male Dominance>> ***on the high achy or male dominance or ego thing, you must talk to one of the big brained guys like Crafty, Animal, or Tuhon B. they are into all that big brained stuff.*** and again I don't need to talk to anyone, all I have to do is sit back and look at the Examples that are set, neither do the children or today's society. Because there are plenty of examples for them to see, and it's the examples we leave that will either continue a negative trend or break it. i assure you one more thing, for every single bad example set. it takes 3 positive ones to balance out the negative left by the one. and why we now have eons of negative to change with Positive. Ms J... bows deeply.. " Sharing her License to Learn by Example" Ms. Johnaleen Castro CEO/F.A.T.E. 1-888-526-4626 FATE@f-a-t-e.org www.f-a-t-e.org ------------------------------ From: "Rocky" Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:19:49 -0400 Subject: eskrima: OOPs My bad!! I foolishly wrote: >Now Gat , if what GM Buot can understand of your post to me is right, it s>seems you have an issue with my mother something about her being a whore, >and me being crazy or a Son of a bitch, or something to that nature. Well >Gat if this is true. Then you have changed everything. It no longer has >nothing to do with I should not have wrote this , and as a man should, I will apologize for it, the translation was wrong and I am glad to see that Gat did not lower himself to insulting my mother, he was just cussing me out , you know the typical things, me being a coward, fool, full of B.S a fag, and what not. This I can take this its no big deal, I'v been called worse and probably will be again. So once again for posting something that was translated wrong for me without double checking I am sorry UNDERSTAND GAT. for this I am sorry I should note have posted without double checking. Hey when I am wrong I am wrong! Rocky Watch it be just my luck that the second guy to translate it was wrong oui vay!! Anyways its over and done, I will move on ------------------------------ From: "Rocky" Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:45:36 -0400 Subject: eskrima: you never know Hey here's something that doesn't pertain to name calling or challenges or anything stupid like that, instead its about how shitty life can be. Late in the season last year, ( hotrod racing ) unfortunately Michigan only has a few good months a year for us street racers. Anyways I was out on a Friday night with a friend Jimmy, I had my Mustang and he had his Chevelle. We were at a spot in Detroit where the street machines come out to play after Midnight on Fri & Sat. Well Jimmy is an under cover Narc. And their was this really strange guy who kept after me or Jimmy to run him, I was having a really bad night and was already down about $600.00 so I wasn't interested, but he kept at the both of us for a while and then moved on. I knew the guy was cheating running a sneaky Pete. Which is a hidden canister of Nitrous, which is like what athletes do by using steroids, because they can't build it the right way at least that is our opinion. Any ways Jimmy and I left. And Jimmy who has an excellent eye for trouble in the street , as well he should in his business, made a comment to me that he had a bad feel ing about this idiot that was wanting us to run him. Well the other day, it turned out that Jimmy's instincts were right, I took my car out and met up with some guys and was bummed to find out that this really nice guy I use to talk to, and always learned something new from, made the mistake of racing this idiot and then refused to pay him, because he could smell the nitrous that the weirdo claimed he didn't use, and then when our buddy ( we called him Vega Man, because of his car ) asked him to open his hood, the dirt bag shot him 3 times, over a lousy $100.00 Then to top it off my buddy Jimmy who I haven't seen since last season, I called his dad to try and get a hold of him, and it turns out he has terminal cancer at 32 years old. Man life can really suck sometimes, you can train to protect yourself and what not, but if its your time its your time, it just doesn't seem fair sometimes. And I think sometimes as martial artist people over look the part that fate plays sometimes in a real life situation. Rocky ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 13:06:11 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #274 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.