From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #275 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sun, 17 June 2001 Vol 08 : Num 275 In this issue: eskrima: Footwork eskrima: Short people eskrima: Rocky Paksiw..Come and get it... eskrima: Just Filipino Expression.. eskrima: Easy Mrs. J eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #274 eskrima: Re:filipino recipes eskrima: Filipino food eskrima: Re: Tapi-Tapi eskrima: ok ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000), Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "James M. Seetoo" Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 17:34:21 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Footwork Actually, the drill comes out of fencing. I've been involved with fencing as a coach and fencer for over 15 yrs. Steve almost has the drill right. You don't lock out your elbow. The point is to keep a relaxed upper body and be able to move your feet without disturbing the upper body. This allows you to hold your structure while shifting angles of attack. Momoy might have had a similar drill but I'm not aware of it. Regards, James M. Seetoo Instructor San Miguel Eskrima ------------------------------ From: "James M. Seetoo" Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 17:43:37 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Short people Being on the short side myself, I don't believe that there's any art that's better or worse based on stature. The best art for an individual is one that that person will enjoy practicing. With practice comes proficiency and then skill. In other words, whatever you choose to become good at will be the art for you. That being said, I think that there are certain characteristics that a person who is not naturally strong (I'm making a distinction between big and strong), should look for. An art that emphasizes body mechanics and connection is more important for those not blessed with great natural strength. Learning to use your body to place the greatest force on a small area of an opponent will translate into a surprising amount of power. San Miguel Eskrima emphasizes body mechanics if for no other reason than the 33" stick becomes pretty heavy at the end of a session. Now, I believe that the origin of this thread had to do with a person who is in NYC. If you are looking for an art that emphasizes body mechanics and extremely practical applications I would recommend Estacada Kajukenbo taught by Sifu William Schettino. For more information, please email me privately. Regards, James M. Seetoo Instructor San Miguel Eskrima ------------------------------ From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 18:28:40 EDT Subject: eskrima: Rocky Paksiw..Come and get it... Rocky Paksiw, Since I was born and raised in very tight close family. I am not good, on talking to much. If my skill as being question, we dont talk we just show them how is done, like I said before I am not good in talk war. You used so many bad language, that everyone can understand, I accept it like nothing happen. Like getting hit so many time in the head and wrestles so may Gators, its okay. Well I have good news for you my friends, I am not scared to no body, everywhere I go I carry my big cohony, if you want is that. Anyway, the Ticket that you said you reserved for me is not possible to used by me, becaused I dont have Identification read that way. Anyway since you really think that you can take me, as you wish anytime, just retreved the ticket that you purchased and come and pay me a visit here in Florida. You said the last time you fight is Ten years ago, wow!!! I am scared to you my friends, well let see my last fight in the Philippines is 1986, and my last experience to be harrased is 1996 a 250lbs Jamican attack me in the Hotel Restroom, you know what happen to that man? He is now an impotent, I broke his Cohony. I guess, I dont wanna do this anymore, but if I have to I will do it again. I am not tall I am only 5'4'' so you are advantage already. But is not smart to go to someone home and attack someone privacy. I learned that from my father, avoid comprontation to someone else territory, you know why, I am the one will be in Jail not you. But if you really that bad towards me after showing cowardness that you show to the list. Let this rest and settle this with our way, one day we will see by surprice and see who are true from his words. Again, I forgive you to what you said, but I would never change what I said before. Even to what I said to you privately is just to get you thinking what are you doing is insulting yourself. Now you get what you want the settle this like a man. Talk not going to get this over, only when one of us see the star and dark of the night then this consider settle. I invite you in a nice way of play fight friendly manner, even though you dont do that, I still try persuade you to come aplay with me just a friends and the end of the fight both of us can have a dinner together. You are looking for good Filipino cook, I am one of the Filipino expert of Cooking. I am a proffesional Chef as everyone know, and I am willing to show you also how to cook and eat Filipino Food. See I can do that for you. Okay, I wish you luck, I will end my conversation to you if is going to be just a Bolony talk, hate talk and cursing, if you really have a problem to my acceptance of your open challenge, come and get me, I will be waiting anytime you can.. I will leave this topic like this, becaused my Filipino blood is getting better than me. I dont want to say say something I would regret it later.. Sorry to all the list that bored by this mess. Ray, Thanks for being just you, I like what your doing,,, I know where you up to, I like it.. Gumagalang/with Respect Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA < One thing that Guro Pasiwk left out was that he apparently sent Guro Baet a plane ticket to vacation in the lovely state of Michigan. >> ------------------------------ From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 18:45:48 EDT Subject: eskrima: Just Filipino Expression.. Rocky, Dont pay attention to much of the translation, is really what my expression of happiness, sometimes. You know what? You are right, I am bad kids, my mother not to deserved something like me. But you are perfect, to deserved that happiness. I know I am bad, but do you know you are bad too? May be not, so what you are going to do with me beat me up my mother do that already loong ago, for descipline purposes. My eleven GM whom trained me did that also, so I guess the only one missing to beat me up is you. For that I will be waiting for the right time. Okay Thanks, I can breath now, I also have something to tell to the ED I wont answer anymore of his foolishness in the ED. Privately may be. Till the fight is over to review, if he beat me I will tell everyone, atleast I learn something to progress in the future, If I lost well that my day, if I won, I hope his mouth not to used it in fight anymore. May be its time to take lesson from someone like me...dont you think? Well again, I still respect Rocky, even to this moments. Ilike people like him, arrogant and confident, remind me of me.. Gumagalang/with respect, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Laguna Arnis fEderation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA << Now Gat , if what GM Buot can understand of your post to me is right, it seems you have an issue with my mother something about her being a whore, and me being crazy or a Son of a bitch, or something to that nature. Well Gat if this is true. Then you have changed everything. It no longer has nothing to do with MA's, at this point you should just shut up, trust me you really don't want to bring my family into things. I realize you are not a very desent person and lets just leave it at that. I feel sorry for your mother , I am sure she is a wonderful woman, and even the best of parents can have dirt bag kids, I hope I fair better as a parent then yours did. >> ------------------------------ From: "Rocky" Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 19:22:14 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Easy Mrs. J Easy Sister easy, I was pretty much agreeing with you on your post's. I simply mentioned talking to others because, I personally don't know why guys do what they do, its on me not you. If you understand that's cool, I just personally don't have the time or brain power to delve into such matters. I didn't mean male dominance as in we dominate women or the world. More like the way we dominate or try to dominate ourselves, which at many times can be quite stupid but sometimes it can be necessary. Hey I am just a business man not a shrink, I can barely figure out what shirt to put on in the morning. You are probably right about the negative and positive thing, its the old bad news thing. Do something nice to someone they tell one or two people. Do something wrong they'll tell everyone and their mother. As far as setting example for children, who decides which examples are suitable to set and which ones arn't. It should be the parents, but it seems that in order to stifle the mannerisms that has taken people eons to develop, small groups within today's society want to decide for the parents. Anyways, like I was saying for the most part I enjoy your post, keep writing. Rocky ------------------------------ From: "Anthony James Hawkins" Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 19:06:47 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #274 I find that this quote quite accurately addresses some issues that seem to pop up from time to time on this list. "Don't talk about yourself. You must either praise yourself, which is vanity, or criticize yourself, which is meekness. You show a lack of good judgment and become a nuisance to others. If this is important among friends, it is even more so in high positions, where one often speaks in public and where any appearance of vanity passes for foolishness. Nor is it prudent to talk about people who are present. You risk running aground on flattery or vituperation." - -Baltasar Gracian _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "johnaleen" Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 22:38:07 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re:filipino recipes Rocky i have a few of my favorite recipes that i still cook and learned special for my father-in-law years ago but i have never had time to write them down and know them mostly by heart from cooking them over and over, and right now i just dont have the time to write them down. i had this site as a list for other reasons and remembered that it had a large number of traditional recipes from the philipines that you may want to look at... http://soar.berkeley.edu/recipes/ethnic/filipino/indexall.htm I skimmed though them once and then had a look at them again for you today and they seemed fairly close to what i do with some variations. close enough for you i am sure... there are 54 of them for you to play with and start cooking... Ms J.... ------------------------------ From: "Stephen Lamade" Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 03:57:21 Subject: eskrima: Filipino food Re. Filipino recipes: The Philippine Cookbook, by Reyaldo Alejandro, and Filipino Cuisine, by Gerry G. Gelle are available from Barnes&Noble.com . In the meanwhile, here's a recipe for pork adobo: 4 lb Pork roast, trimmed and cubed 1 onion, quartered 4 potatoes, halved 2 cups vinegar 1/2 cup soy sauce 12 cloves garlic 2 tsp. sugar 1 bay leaf 1 tsp. ground pepper Brown the meat and place in a cast iron or ceramic pot. Add the other ingredients and cook, uncovered, at low to medium heat for 2-3 hours. You may have to add water occasionally. The adobo is done when, after 2-3 hours, the soy sauce has carmelized. I like this with saltines and beer- preferably San Miguel :)- but rice is traditional. Now if only I can figure out what's in Elvie's (13th Street and 1st Ave) halo halo... The best friends I've made have been training partners with whom I've shared meals after class. Regards, Stephen Lamade San Miguel Eskrima _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: abanico-video-knuettel@t-online.de (Dieter =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kn=FCttel?=) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 12:09:10 +0200 Subject: eskrima: Re: Tapi-Tapi Hi Ray, I am sorry that I am only able to answer the thread today. > Perhaps someone can explain Tapi Tapi (a variation of Modern Arnis?) to > someone like me that isn't in the Modern Arnis camp? The Rock or The Renegade > or The Dieter :) or ??? > From: "tim hartman" > Subject: eskrima: Tapi Tapi > Ray, > Tapi-Tapi is a drill. It would be like Hubod. So the Masters of Tapi-Tapi > are masters of a drill, like shadow sparring, sinawalis, or jumping rope. While I understand, why Tim answered this question that way, I think this answer does not go far enough: Tapi-Tapi is THE drill of Modern Arnis, that the Professor introduced ( as far as I know) around 1995/1996 Mark E. Lynn gave a good description about the Tapi-Tapi in the Digest V8 #274, here the beginning and the end ot his mail: > From: Mark E Lynn > Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:30:57 -0700 > Subject: eskrima: Re:Tapi Tapi > > Tapi Tapi is a drill or a series of drills that have a left hand to right > hand version, and a right hand to right hand version. The Professor > started teaching the Left to Right version in 1996 (or that's when I was > first shown it at his camp in here TX). Over the years it has been > explained to me that there is a driver (in the beginning stages) who > guides the drill, basically setting up the receiver to apply > locks/traps/chokes/hits etc. At first it was taught to me in a series of > lock flows in order to learn the set ups. As time goes by and you learn > the lock flows than you learn how to take them apart and rearrange them > and combine them with other locks etc. snip > In closing: I asked one time the Professor when I should start teaching > my students this drill (at what level) he said "Now" I said "But I've got > beginners only " He told me I should start teaching them now since > "Everything is contained in Tapi Tapi" that was in 96 and I didn't > understand what he meant. If you read the full mail, there is not much to add, perhaps only a few things: For I am only with the Professor since 1994, I cannot speak about the time before that, but the Professor started to teach Tapi-Tapi in Germany in 1995 right- to right, adding r -r and l - r techniques in every seminar after that. In 1995 or 1996, I can´t recall exactly any more, a very high Modern Arnis player under the Professor held a seminar in Germany and I asked him about the Tapi-Tapi and what he showed then had nothing to do with the Tapi-Tapi of the Professor. He must have been together with the Professor for at least 15 years at thart time, but he was probably not actively triing within the him in the last years. At the same time I asked a now "Master of Tapi Tapi" after that drill and I got the answer, that Tapi-Tapi is not a drill but just normal strike counters after an attack. So at that time, there was no knowledge about the Tapi-Tapi drill. I visited the US to take part at the Massachusets summercamp in 1997 and a year later for a seminar tour, wherte I taught in New England, Philadelphia and in Houston. I expected the americans to be very advanced in the Tapi-Tapi, since the Professor had been in the US since about 1975, but I learned, that they did not know much more about Tapi-Tapi than I did at that time. These experiences of different kind really indicated for me, that the Professor choose to start teaching the Tapi-Tapi open on seminars only from around 1995 on. It is THE core Drill of Modern Arnis since then, in which you can practice almost all Modern Arnis techniques and that teaches, how to set up and dominate an opponent. Besides that, its really fun to practice. Perhaps one can compare it with the "Lock and Block" of Serrada. Not from the techniques or the way it looks but the principle behind it: In "Lock and Block" you practice the counters that you have learned to the different attacks within a drill. It still is not the same, but in some way similar. Bobby Taboada showed his techiques on the CD from Al Sardinas in a way, that looked quite similar to the Tapi-Tapi. Ernesto Presas has a similar drill called "Freestyle" (also to see on that CD-Rom), but it is not as complex as the Tapi-Tapi and also the left top right is no taugh to everybody, like the Professor does. BTW, Gat Puno Baet, you have been with the Professor in the 70ies any Rocky, as an old time student of Remy in his early US days, did he teach a dill like that at that time? If yes, how did it look and how did he call it? How did it compate to what Ernesto showed on the CD? In Remy´s old pink book you find on the pages 138 - 140 (same pages in his 1st U.S. edidtion) the "Free-style sparring", that has elements used in Ernestos Freestyle as well as in Remy´s Tapi-Tapi. I am sure, both drills have the same root, just developed differently. I am sure, many other FMA systems have similar drills. Tell us about it! Best regards from Germany Dieter Knüttel ABANICO Video Productions http://www.abanico.de European Modern Arnis Representative http://modern-arnis.de ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 6:06:43 PDT Subject: eskrima: ok Ok, folks. Enuf of the Rock vs. 'Gat' engagement. Time to talk it offline. Both sides have had chance to express their innermost hopes and wishes. :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #275 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.